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scuzzphut wrote:Project Pak - £349 :-o

So - what are the limitations on the number of plugins the hardware will run simultaneously ?
See the previously posted table: the limitation completely depends on what plugins you are running at a time. You might be only able to run a few mastering plugins at a time, but you would get tens of equalisers for example.

The unfortunate limitation with project pack is that you will only get the most basic and generic sounding plugins and you have to individually buy the good ones.

Generally people seem to buy the project pack as an additional card to run alongside the ultra pack, thus doubling the DSP power.
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billybk1 wrote:Hey Ronny, I have always found UA support to be top notch and very responsive to inquiries. Have you talked to UA about your denormal problems?
From the face of it, it appears you may have a configuration or system hardware related issue. I have two cards myself and the few isolated problems I have (like native CPU munching in Vegas 5) or (project looping/PDC in SONAR 4.02), are specific host issues. I can run 16-24, of the premium UAD-1 plugs (2 cards worth), in a SONAR project and the puny PIII 1Ghz CPU, in my DAW, only shows an average, of 5%-9% total added native CPU usage. Not bad for 16-24 added UAD-1 plugins, in a project. If it was a true universal denormal problem, every single UAD-1 user would be seeing it.
Since most hosts don't even allow users to monitor CPU usage per plugin i think most people are unaware of these issues (my theory so far ;)) On the other hand quite many people at the UAD forums have the same issues. However, i wouldn't know what kind of host specific issue could cause a plugin to use much more CPU than usual. Since i took part in developing the host i'm using as well as having tested almost every Plugin i could find in it, i have seen lots of denormal related issues. Of course i can be wrong but the issue i do have smells a lot like any other denormal problem.

I think i'll try the UAD support again, did it a while ago without getting a reply. Anyway, i kinda expect it to look like the replies people get over at the UAD forums when trying to get around these issues...

Ronny

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didint read this thread but i would just like to say

GO GET IT!!

i love my uad-1 :hug:

Subz

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I'm seriously considering a studio pak - next time they go on sale at Guitar Center for $750 like they did during Labor Day (September - US holiday). Maybe Christmas...

I'm watching what happens with Sonar5 and any issues that are new or unresolved - keep up the reports DaveR & the rest of you folks we're listening!

I have a P4 w/875 chipset (Abit IC7-G mobo) so I think it'll be ok. I don't mind the pci "dongle" if it will help cure piracy and save future plugin development world wide! That's the future I'm kinda worried about...anyway - I gotta try out those compressors for sure! :wink:

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Ronny Pries wrote: Since most hosts don't even allow users to monitor CPU usage per plugin...
Hmmm....that sounds kinda cool. 8) What are you using to monitor native CPU usage per plugin? Is this in the host app itself, as it plays back that you are able to measure each plugins CPU usage? I don't use anything that sophisticated. I do use a little system CPU/RAM monitoring utility (FreeMem Pro). It places two tray icons (CPU & RAM meters),in your taskbar. The way I measure the UAD-1's native CPU usage, is to make note of a projects CPU usage, as it plays back without any FX plugins. Then when I add 6,8,10,16 or 24 UAD-1 plugins, I'll compare the native CPU usage difference, using my FreeMem Pro meters. I will see anywhere from 2%-5% added native CPU increase, in SONAR 4.02, after adding my UAD-1 plugins, which is fairly typical, for most UAD-1 users.



However, i wouldn't know what kind of host specific issue could cause a plugin to use much more CPU than usual.
I guess you have never used Sony Vegas 5 or ACID Pro 4 with the UAD-1 then? :cry: Severe native CPU munching when using more than 4 or 5 UAD-1 plugins, at a time. I can have a (10) track audio project with no FX plugins, using about 15%, of my CPU, but once I add 6 UAD-1 plugins my CPU usage zooms to 75% (60% added native CPU usage, for only 6 plugins) :(
Needless to say, I don't use Vegas or ACID Pro 4 with my UAD-1. No one, (neither UA or Sony support) can explain why this happens, in these particular host apps. I can import these same audio tracks into SONAR 4.02, use the same 6 UAD-1 plugins and I get only 2% added native CPU usage. Go figure......

I think i'll try the UAD support again.....
I encourage you to do so. Make sure to include your computer specs, audio card, etc., and the host app that you are using. Maybe your insight into how denormals work, may help UA to diagnose a solution.

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Tell me if i am wrong. But are the project, studio and ultra the same dsp card?
I mean they all have the same processing power,and its just the number of plugins that determines the higher prices?
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smellytongue wrote:Tell me if i am wrong. But are the project, studio and ultra the same dsp card?
I mean they all have the same processing power,and its just the number of plugins that determines the higher prices?
Yes, you are correct, it is the same DSP card, but with different plugin bundles.
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And when I got one UAD Card and want to extend to a second, do I have to buy the plugins once again? I cannot find the naked card in stores, there are only the paks... how is this working and what are the costs for only the dsp card?
Who is general failure? And what is he doing on my harddisc?

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The plugins registered for/to one uad card will work on all other uad cards in the same system.
You'll have to buy a project pak to get just the card, another popular alternative is to just purchase additional cards via ebay.

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well, I bought the ProjectPak. I'll most probably buy UltraPak in January (and get the plugins) or just another ProjectPak and buy Plate140 and Cambridge.

Will have to test the demos first

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