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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:50 am

does the podxt have more processing power than a modern cpu?

no, but it could have more dedicated processing power for the task at hand...

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:52 am

DaveSmom wrote:Ahh... I see your bias showing

Discussion over from this end, mate

youre darned right, mate -- I have a bias against people who skirt the issue.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:56 am

Hink wrote:
does the podxt have more processing power than a modern cpu?
no, but it could have more dedicated processing power for the task at hand...

yes, as a percentage, obviously the podxt has 100 percent dedicated to the task at hand... whereas windows pc will have other resources taken up... but, 100 percent of 500 is still less than 75 percent of 1000.... if you catch what i mean.

but my friend with guitar rig 2 and a modern cpu and a decent soundcard (yes quite more the investment than a podxt) plays at next to nothing latency with hardly a 15 percent hit on his cpu, in hi res mode -- which is undoubtedly better quality than the podxt. ALthough i could prolly give a crap, i can see, from experience, not technical schematics that his cpu kicks the podxts arse any given sunday. Its old technology!!! I still love it, but i have to face the facts that the amp sims in guitar rig 2 sound alive, and different, whereas the ones in the pod, whilst still satisfying, pale a bit in comparison.

again, just software in a box...

there are other limitations too --

its just an obvious answer.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:00 am

listen, DaveSmom -- im sorry about the GOMP comment -- but its obvious we are on two different levels here, you can obviously understand that stuff on the website you showed me very easily. I cannot. Just like how GOMP, whilst being a musical program, is about as fun and inspiriational as MS excel --- perhaps to your mind, which is more advanced than mine in that regard -- you work just fine with this stuff, i dont --

so i am asking for it in plain english, in calculations per second, in SOMETHING proving that the podxt is more powerful than a modern cpu.

because i am contending there is no difference between podxt and a pc with guitar rig software or whatever in it -- i am saying podxt is just software in a hardware shell --- hence toneport, and guitarport -- just different shells for the same software, just like guitar rig.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:05 am

DaveSmom wrote:Also, unlike a generic processor, DSP is dedicated to signal processing and thus can take a greater load for a more realistic simulation.... theoretically

ps. I still hate PODs.... hehe

while looking back i found this post.

see, I agree with this!!!

but im saying the old podxt is showing its age vs. a new pc with guitar rig 2 -- and really the lines are blurred between hardware and software.

DaveSmom · Post by **DaveSmom** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:07 am

Ok... since you are being reasonable.. I wil try again.

It's very hard to put it in layman's terms....

A DSP has an instruction set that is completely different to a CPU. It works in the AUDIO domain.

A CPU is basically an advanced scientific calculator

So it is NOT all about speed. A DSP can do 1 operation in 1 cycle that would take a CPU many operations and cycles

(cycle = time)

And I do agree, the lines are becoming more and more blurred. But dedicated hardware designed for a specific purpose will always beat a generic PC

ps. GuruOne GUIs always suck

Always his focus is on what it can do to enhance your musical experience and no, he is no DSP genius, just LOVES music and technology to death

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:34 am

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:
Hink wrote:
does the podxt have more processing power than a modern cpu?
no, but it could have more dedicated processing power for the task at hand...
yes, as a percentage, obviously the podxt has 100 percent dedicated to the task at hand... whereas windows pc will have other resources taken up... but, 100 percent of 500 is still less than 75 percent of 1000.... if you catch what i mean.

but my friend with guitar rig 2 and a modern cpu and a decent soundcard (yes quite more the investment than a podxt) plays at next to nothing latency with hardly a 15 percent hit on his cpu, in hi res mode -- which is undoubtedly better quality than the podxt. Although i could prolly give a crap, i can see, from experience, not technical schematics that his cpu kicks the podxts arse any given sunday. Its old technology!!! I still love it, but i have to face the facts that the amp sims in guitar rig 2 sound alive, and different, whereas the ones in the pod, whilst still satisfying, pale a bit in comparison.

again, just software in a box...

there are other limitations too --

its just an obvious answer.

next to nothing latency...sorry, I don't buy it for a bit...remember I have the gambit and the xt does not leave me disappointed in any way...my plexi did, my twin did, my boogie did...I think your lumping the pod with pc based sims is way off....whether you agree matters not, but at least now I know that the tone I envision in my head when coming up with a concept is 100% achievable...not if it turns out the way I hope...it's easy to play the elitist...hell there are a few imbeciles (present company not included, you know I think highly of you) that will actually pass judgement based on the "real amp" when they do not even have close to a freakin clus to what a real amp is...then there are others who foolishly believe that professional is better than those who play for love by reducing it to "people who play just for fun"...which is one of the lamest things I've read here (again not by you),,,you have two ears, ten fingers, a soul and a connection to your artistic self...those who have to define their way is the best and right usually haven't a freakin clue and define themselves by their education, their superficial accomplishments and by placing themselves on a pedestal...usually they are insignificant little specs on the earth who feel they need to validate their meager existance by demeaning others...I love music...if I beat it out by wanking myself and making armpit farts at least I'm still expressing the artistic hink,,,so who gives a flying sea lion how you do it as long as when you're done you put out there what you intended?....

DaveSmom · Post by **DaveSmom** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:39 am

I love it when Hinky goes all philosophical

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:14 am

okay -- i understand you, i hope you understand me.

as far as latency, all i can say is it's at 1.5ms -- and its not noticable by my ears and hands.

I have no use for people demeaning other people -- and i dont care how you do it -- im just stating my opinion.

dude, me of all people hate the elitists -- who just constantly "piss" (FLOABT) on amp sims all the time complaining how they dont sound a bit like the real thing bla,bla,bla....

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:22 am

DaveSmom wrote:

And I do agree, the lines are becoming more and more blurred. But dedicated hardware designed for a specific purpose will always beat a generic PC

yes, i understand this.

but im saying in the case of podxt vs. a modern, well equipped pc with guitar rig 2 ---

im sure, for instance, focusrites liquid channel (is that who makes it) has DSP that would choke a cpu

but podxt? Sorry -- its pretty obvious, that although still a nice, viable solution, it is indeed showing its age!!!

stayne · Post by **stayne** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:31 am

wow. i go to bed and wake up to all this?

DaveSmom · Post by **DaveSmom** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:51 am

Thread rating: Not before breakfast ...

Relax, it's just lead-guitarists' huge egos at play

VaiHalen · Post by **VaiHalen** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:56 am

There is something clear for me: I hear POD tracks, Xt tracks, Amplitube 1 tracks...and I hear my presets in GR2, nothing can compare to the sounds I get with GR2. If I hear a guitar solo using Amplitube 2 that it's better than what I get, then I'll be very glad. But nobody proves it, nobody post it, so GR2 is the best.

stag · Post by **stag** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:33 am

I dont like POD, too much plastic.
I like VG-88 and JMP-1 on hardware side, but frankly i'm quite satisfied, to say the least, with Simulanalog JCM 900, i can hear no diference bettwen it and JMP-1 speaker sim out.
Simulanalog JCM 900 sounds to me the shit, a lot better than GR2 Lead800 or AT2 emulation(albeit i bougth this one)and way better than POD and it's freeware.

Of course everybody knows opinions are like amp sims, everybody has is own, so here's mine.

stayne · Post by **stayne** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:53 am

VaiHalen: I think there are some demo mp3s on the Amplitube 2 website.

Have you taken a look at Rock Amp Legends or Waves GTR? Amazing tone with those things. Paul Reed Smith had a hand in creating the GTR I believe. That alone makes me all giddy, but Waves stuff is so damn expensive I'm not going to bother to find out the price.

Anyway, I think GR2's selling point is that it sounds great by itself. Waaaaaay too much going on though. Most guitarists don't need all that thrown-together bloat. Plus, to really get anything out of it you have to purchase the controller.

Nativi Instruments Guitar Rig 2 - is awesome!!