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fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:04 pm

Ildon wrote:Oh. I had them mixed up. Sorry.

no probs, I was a little confused since I hadn't mentioned which synth I used on which sample

please share your thoughts anyway, I'd love some ideas on how to reproduce those commercial tracks hard lead sound.

I'm actually starting to think it might be FM

Firebird sounds coool btw, wierd GUI I think but awesome sound ! thx for the recommdnation

Cheers
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P.S.: I'm also getting good at using emotions on KvR

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:09 pm

soundpalace wrote:Check out what I did with Zebra tonight...

http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/OceanlabZebra.mp3

This might be THE synth

BTW, I know the EQing is kinda harsh on it, but that's actually kinda how the original was ... wierd in fact, the original had way more treble too

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me favorite tune!!

I love satelite!

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:12 pm

soundpalace wrote:
Mr Smith wrote:oh cmon... if a synth is good sounding or not is subjective, but fact is that the virus is the fav synth of many many many dance music producers (including me), and in particular trance producers ( they like JP8000 too ). The synth simply fit the genre and its sound conventions. Also don't forget that the virus has 1024 presets, plus many great preset libs that are availiable. ( get the vengeance ones if your after supersaws... ) It uses 0% of you CPU, and comes with a nice set of knobs.

In my ears the virus beats all softsynths i tried, and ive been around since reality was the latest and hottest softsynth...

Dont forget to try firebird, its very "trancy"...
hey, thanks for the advice, I'm checking out firebird right now. Since you use a Virus, can you maybe tell me ..

Suppose I want a sound like this..

http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/HugeSyncSounds.mp3

That hard sound you hear in each of those 3 tracks. I've been working so hard on Zebra2 and Synth1 and can only end up with cheesy 303 sounding distortion like this...

http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/MyHardLead.mp3

and the distorted lead in this

http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/SoundPa ... Sample.mp3

I program these with a highly resonant filter and a distortion, the sounds in the commercial tracks don't appear to be using hard sync and I've tried it but it sounded completely different. Any idea how they do it ? It's almost like a robotic sound, kinda metalic at parts, and I just love it ! It sounds so real and alive, mine sound out of date and crappy.

Could this be a limitation of soft-synths or am I doing something wrong ?

Huge thanks
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One word - FM. The nordlead (and hence Discovery) does those hardlead sounds among others

Mr Smith · Post by **Mr Smith** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:13 pm

soundpalace wrote: Am I doing something wrong ?

Yes

Those sounds are the typical FM trance thingys... Try tweaking the FM knobs in for example Zero vector and the metallic tarnce leads are yours to keep.

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:16 pm

soundpalace wrote:
Ildon wrote:Oh. I had them mixed up. Sorry.
no probs, I was a little confused since I hadn't mentioned which synth I used on which sample

Yeah, I misread, hehe.

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:32 pm

Awesome, huge thanks snooky and Mr Smith, I'll try this out tomorrow night, it's bed time for now I'm afraid

Oh, I've just been playing with Imposcar and all I Can say is OH MY GOD !! WOW !!! Are those the most gorgeous sounding filters you have ever heard of what ! so awesome

snooky I too love Satellite, but am totally in love with Above & Beyond's new track called Can't Sleep, you have to hear it, it's unbelievable ! I've also heard a sneek peak of the new Oceanlab track coming up and I can tell you that it's definitely worth waiting for, what a top producer !

I really should have thought of FM ... I'm silly, sorry guys. Let's see if I can replicate the sound tomorrow

I'll post samples of what I come up with.

Cheers
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snooky · Post by **snooky** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:30 pm

Above & Beyond's new track called Can't Sleep is truly a good track -I have heard it many times.

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:07 am

Hmm, no luck at all with FM, comes out sounding totally different. Can anyone replicate these sounds at all ? I would love to hear how one can do this.

Thanks a lot !
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martian · Post by **martian** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:53 pm

aciddose wrote:soundpalace, but.. that is just a lame unison saw.. what am i missing?

cant every synth do that?

lets hear it then, put him out of his misery.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:22 pm

That sounds very much to me like it's osc sync, not FM.

I hate to say it, but Synth1 really is the 1st one that springs to mind for sync sounds. It's often a case of getting the tone just right with the filter or Eq.

The metallic resonance would be done one of two ways I can think of. Firstly the obvious one, where it's a simple sync patch with a bit of high res on a swept filter.

The second one is to actually sweep the pitch of the synced oscillator and leave the filter alone. (Or even both together).

Even Superwave can do that type of thing, although the free version I used in the past had serious automation and LFO retrigger problems (that may have been fixed with the commercial versions though...I don't know).

I can see how you could make something similar with FM by again sweeping the pitch of a modulator, but it doesn't quite sound like that to me. Sweeping the Frequency Ratio of a feedback operator on a DX will give close-ish results, but no biscuit. At least I can't get that type sound on my DX100.

I certainly used to be able to do it on an old Roland JX3P (it was one of the only real strengths on that synth - a lovely sync sound), and I would think a Pro53 or whatever should be able to get it.

Another synth that does sync is Crystal...I used to muck around with some quite complex patches in Crystal with sync, and I didn't ever get anything similar - Crystal has it's own separate internal oscillator for sync, which unfortunately restricts what you can do with the sync options.

Boulotaur2024 · Post by **Boulotaur2024** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:35 pm

soundpalace wrote:Oh, I've just been playing with Imposcar and all I Can say is OH MY GOD !! WOW !!! Are those the most gorgeous sounding filters you have ever heard of what ! so awesome

I second that, I had tried ImpOSCar a while ago, quickly browsed and played through the presets and somehow didn't get enthralled by it... (I must have had a bad day, really).

A week ago I was here on Kvr reading a post that praised ImpOSCar sound engine and immediately tried it again, this time I was sold !!

It's incredible how this thing is sounding, here's a quick recording of a sketch I played "live" a couple of days ago :

http://s146380088.onlinehome.fr/Muzik/ImpOSCar.mp3

(There's no melodic pattern, I'm playing with something like 3 keys on my laptop keyboard so it kinda sucks in this area, unfortunately, but man I love the warmth of the synth).

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:40 pm

I just went back over the thread and listened to that MP3 from Aciddose. Oh boy...I want whatever you're on. I saved that one just in case I ever want to get rid of my neighbours...turn it up to number 11 - pure evil...

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:04 am

hey guys, kritikon, that sounds awesome !

Thanks for all your help guys, I'll take all additional info into account and try recreate the sound today. I actually got a lot closer last night by using a little FM and sweeping the cutoff.

Cheers
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pepelogu · Post by **pepelogu** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:36 am

kritikon wrote: Just get out of fantasyland. Virus h/w has nothing to do with the sound of a Virus. Also Virus filters aren't anything close to classics. MS10, MS20, MS50, CS30, CS40, CS40m, CS70, CS80, OSCar, Jupiter6, Jupiter8, Roland202, Roland303, Pro-One, Pro-V, Enigiser, Matrix, VCS3, SEM...I could go on for a long time - those are simply the regular ones I've either owned or had access to in the past that I'd rather have than any version of a crappy Virus and day. That list doesn't contain a single one of the wonderful old and modern modulars that get even better, and can be routed and re-routed all over the place to make the filters do things a Virus can't even imagine.

Sorry, but that's whole bunch of silliness right there...

The Virus filters are drop dead gorgeous. You can niggle on a lot of stuff when it comes to the Virus, but not the filters.

crimsontider · Post by **crimsontider** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:36 pm

I am posting a snip demonstrating a simple arp from a virus. Can anyone here recreate this sound with a VSTI and post the results? I've been unsuccessful to date. I have come the closest with Zero Vector but still a little weak.

I just picked this particular sound because it's nice and punchy and shows a little about the quality of the filters.

Good luck and remember to post those results!:shock:

http://www.godgiventalentonline.com/music/virus1.mp3

VSTis as good as hardware? Similar to Access Virus Quality?