SAWStudio?

[skipkent]

I just tried the demo, and must say the EQ is excellent, and it's right there in real time on each track. I really like the idea of using it (SAW) for live sound reinforcement, if the latency is truly low enough.

Anyone doing live sound reinforcement via software out there?

[grymmjack]

I'm sure that many on this forum have spent thousands on software

Only the Cubase users.

I forget, HanafiH: did Steinberg kill your family or something?

Or you could try the Google Suck Test...

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Samplitude	1,010,000	707	0.07%
Propellerhead	4,100,000	18,800	0.46%
Mackie Tracktion	72,100	404	0.56%
Cubase	8,360,000	99,600	1.19%
FL Studio	3,470,000	44,600	1.29%
Cakewalk Sonar	1,630,000	21,300	1.31%
Saw Studio	56,100	758	1.35%
Nuendo	2,130,000	38,100	1.79%
energyXT	205,000	5,950	2.90%
Protools	3,900,000	130,000	3.33%

How many Google hits for the DAW of your choice over how many hits also have the word suck.

Sawstudio sucks a bit more than Sonar but a whole lot less than Nuendo.

Poo Trolls of course sucks more than everything else put together.

are you searching for 'exact phrase' ie: "blah sucks" or just blah sucks? the quotes are important.

[grymmjack]

Sheer insanity. All of the amateur opinions here reaffirm my beliefs about a large portion of the KVR community. The people earlier in the thread that commented about the price of SAWStudio do not seem to understand true Value For Money. These same people will go out and buy Cubase, a UAD card, $1000US in effects, etc. In the end, they will end up near or above the asking price of SAWStudio.

I'm not a fanboy. I also had reserverations about SAWStudio--based solely on the GUI. I didn't understand that Bob was recreating the workflow of a console. The built-in EQ, Compressor, and delay, sound better than many of the 3rd party VSTs that I see paraded around here. The key to SAWStudio is understanding the workflow. You have to download the demo and play with it. It isn't designed to replace ACID/Ableton/FL/Cubase. It's a console, and thus geared towards audio. I agree that the asking price of Midi Workshop is a little steep; however, once you understand that it syncs 100% perfectly with the audio engine, as it is the same engine, you'll be impressed. It's not a midi wrapper running on top of an audio engine.

To summarize, SAWStudio is geared towards audio work, e.g., mixing/recording. It doesn't have a drum pattern sequencer, or loop mangling tools, etc. It literally takes the place of a $40,000+US console. You're getting a lot of bang for your buck, in addition to a highly optimized DAW. Download the demo, watch the videos, and be amazed. Watch the three part series where he records that band. Listen to that analog console quality.

nothing against you, but SAW is not worth the price. there are free programs that can do the same things using only free plugins and achieve the same results.

krystal + kjaerhus/gvst is all free. want nearly free midi vsti stuff? use cmusic in combination with the zillions of free instruments.

that's real VFM. $0.00 being the price, and tons of value. there isn't anything special about SAW that justifies the price at all.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Holy crap that was a long post

yeah, but so worth it. Thanks.

let's see what the little mouth-breathers do with that.

doesnt say anything that hasnt already been addressed.

[grymmjack]

I would like to see some screenshots of SAW skins... from what i saw, it wasnt just REAPER ugly (simple and utilitarian*), it was beyond that, where the ugliness got in the way of decent workflow, IMO. I remember some sort of weird wood or brick detail that was VERY distracting to the eye hehe...

*although with increased skinnability, REAPER is looking much better these days

Jason this is how my SawStudio looks.
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1158151833/ ... 20main.JPG
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1158151904/ ... %20mix.JPG
I like it this way.

your setup is the least hideous, but it's still hideous on things that relate to size, placement, and basic design philosophies

anyway, it's a damned shame SAW has a hideous UI. the dev would be very wise to hire a pro and let him go at it.

you say it's coded in masm, well that's great and all, but how easy is that to change after the fact? probably less easy to change than some c code i'd bet...

what is the exe size of saw.exe ?

[HanafiH]

I'm sure that many on this forum have spent thousands on software

Only the Cubase users.

I forget, HanafiH: did Steinberg kill your family or something?

Or you could try the Google Suck Test...

Code: Select all

Samplitude	1,010,000	707	0.07%
Propellerhead	4,100,000	18,800	0.46%
Mackie Tracktion	72,100	404	0.56%
Cubase	8,360,000	99,600	1.19%
FL Studio	3,470,000	44,600	1.29%
Cakewalk Sonar	1,630,000	21,300	1.31%
Saw Studio	56,100	758	1.35%
Nuendo	2,130,000	38,100	1.79%
energyXT	205,000	5,950	2.90%
Protools	3,900,000	130,000	3.33%

How many Google hits for the DAW of your choice over how many hits also have the word suck.

Sawstudio sucks a bit more than Sonar but a whole lot less than Nuendo.

Poo Trolls of course sucks more than everything else put together.

are you searching for 'exact phrase' ie: "blah sucks" or just blah sucks? the quotes are important.

Suck it and see.



BONES appearing in Cubase 4 launch tour - official.

[LijEyasu]

How do you know that it's not worth the price? Have you tried it? Do you actually make music professionally? No professional is going to use a free DAW.

Free instruments and effects are a different matter.

Sheer insanity. All of the amateur opinions here reaffirm my beliefs about a large portion of the KVR community. The people earlier in the thread that commented about the price of SAWStudio do not seem to understand true Value For Money. These same people will go out and buy Cubase, a UAD card, $1000US in effects, etc. In the end, they will end up near or above the asking price of SAWStudio.

I'm not a fanboy. I also had reserverations about SAWStudio--based solely on the GUI. I didn't understand that Bob was recreating the workflow of a console. The built-in EQ, Compressor, and delay, sound better than many of the 3rd party VSTs that I see paraded around here. The key to SAWStudio is understanding the workflow. You have to download the demo and play with it. It isn't designed to replace ACID/Ableton/FL/Cubase. It's a console, and thus geared towards audio. I agree that the asking price of Midi Workshop is a little steep; however, once you understand that it syncs 100% perfectly with the audio engine, as it is the same engine, you'll be impressed. It's not a midi wrapper running on top of an audio engine.

To summarize, SAWStudio is geared towards audio work, e.g., mixing/recording. It doesn't have a drum pattern sequencer, or loop mangling tools, etc. It literally takes the place of a $40,000+US console. You're getting a lot of bang for your buck, in addition to a highly optimized DAW. Download the demo, watch the videos, and be amazed. Watch the three part series where he records that band. Listen to that analog console quality.

nothing against you, but SAW is not worth the price. there are free programs that can do the same things using only free plugins and achieve the same results.

krystal + kjaerhus/gvst is all free. want nearly free midi vsti stuff? use cmusic in combination with the zillions of free instruments.

that's real VFM. $0.00 being the price, and tons of value. there isn't anything special about SAW that justifies the price at all.

[LijEyasu]

1.33MB. And yes, it's harder to modify than C code.

I would like to see some screenshots of SAW skins... from what i saw, it wasnt just REAPER ugly (simple and utilitarian*), it was beyond that, where the ugliness got in the way of decent workflow, IMO. I remember some sort of weird wood or brick detail that was VERY distracting to the eye hehe...

*although with increased skinnability, REAPER is looking much better these days

Jason this is how my SawStudio looks.
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1158151833/ ... 20main.JPG
http://stashbox.org/uploads/1158151904/ ... %20mix.JPG
I like it this way.

your setup is the least hideous, but it's still hideous on things that relate to size, placement, and basic design philosophies

anyway, it's a damned shame SAW has a hideous UI. the dev would be very wise to hire a pro and let him go at it.

you say it's coded in masm, well that's great and all, but how easy is that to change after the fact? probably less easy to change than some c code i'd bet...

what is the exe size of saw.exe ?

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Do you actually make music professionally? No professional is going to use a free DAW.

ignorant statement alert!
ignorant statement alert!

[grymmjack]

You're right, Improv. But otherwise these apps are also competitors of each other.

That's a little bit far-fetched. Sequoia might be a competitor to SAWSTUDIO, but not Samplitude. Isn't Sequoia about $3000? yup... http://site.magix.net/english-us/home/p ... equoia-v8/

Also, I've used SAWPRO, have briefly tried the SAWSTUDIO demo, I have the CM Samplitude v8 SE...

Does Samplitude have a "more functional, toned down gui"? Toned-down, maybe, when compared to some of the more garish SAWSTUDIO colour schemes maybe, but it's NOT more functional. No way. Samp's got almost as many buttons as AutoCAD, yeesh... (but I don't yet HATE Samplitude. I think I could get work done in it)

To anyone who's actually more interested in trying something than just ragging on about a couple screenshots and a price tag, I sincerely recommend you download the SAWSTUDIO demo, watch some of the videos, do the tutorials. Even if it doesn't fit your style, you'll learn alot more about the possibilities in these systems.

what's in it for you? do you get some kind of kickback if they say you told them about it? the good old boys club?

[living sounds]

I've tried SAW for some time now. Forget the design, if flashy graphics are important for you you're probably playing around rather than getting work done. SAW sounds better than any other DAW, the mixes come out more balanced, less grainy, more natural (those are no scientific terms, but it's very audible). The workflow is great mostly, and I've really started missing some features in other hosts (like right-click-starts-audio). Several things are essentially flawed in SAW (for instance selecting VST/DX etc. plugins is a PITA), but the sound and low-level programmed interface compensate for them IMHO.

[Vocalvoodoo]

I'm sure that many on this forum have spent thousands on software

Only the Cubase users.

I forget, HanafiH: did Steinberg kill your family or something?

Or you could try the Google Suck Test...

Code: Select all

Samplitude	1,010,000	707	0.07%
Propellerhead	4,100,000	18,800	0.46%
Mackie Tracktion	72,100	404	0.56%
Cubase	8,360,000	99,600	1.19%
FL Studio	3,470,000	44,600	1.29%
Cakewalk Sonar	1,630,000	21,300	1.31%
Saw Studio	56,100	758	1.35%
Nuendo	2,130,000	38,100	1.79%
energyXT	205,000	5,950	2.90%
Protools	3,900,000	130,000	3.33%

How many Google hits for the DAW of your choice over how many hits also have the word suck.

Sawstudio sucks a bit more than Sonar but a whole lot less than Nuendo.

Poo Trolls of course sucks more than everything else put together.

SWEET! I use the MOST suckiest and the LEAST suckiest according to Google.

[grymmjack]

I would think Samplitude would be considered a "competitor" to SAW, or Nuendo, or Logic, etc. It's a full-featured sequencer, the only difference with Sequoia is some mastering/post features; you sure you're not thinking of Magix Music Studio?

Very true. And obvious, except to a hardcore Sawstudio like fanboy Ken. BTW-how many fanboys does Sawstudio have now-three?

don't forget bill. he's the coolest of the three.

[grymmjack]

How do you know that it's not worth the price? Have you tried it? Do you actually make music professionally? No professional is going to use a free DAW.

no i'm not a "pro" in that i don't make money off of doing stuff with sound, but i think your statement about a "pro" not using free stuff speaks volumes.

Free instruments and effects are a different matter.

yeah? why? what's the difference? your opinion?

[binez0r]

I really hate sawstudio.