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machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:26 am

Toxikator wrote:your case is more like saying "I hate buying my guitars at the Guitar Center, they have too many to choose from! Sometimes I just want to not have a choice regarding what I buy".

Hey, I think it's pointless to argue PC VS Mac I see valid and reasonable points on both sides, but if you want to do yourself a favor, you REALLY shouldn't compare PC's to Guitar Center!

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:36 am

boxynbaby wrote:hey been a long time fruity loops user infact since i can remeber it ever been realsed but i just made the pretty common move to MAC OSX for reasons that its just more stable than windows but i SHOCKED! to find image-line havent raleased a native version for the OSX system does anyone know of any future releases??????? would be a great help

it's /not/ more stable, for christs sake.

lebaron · Post by **lebaron** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:42 am

Toxikator wrote:YOu really think the plugin choice is better for Mac? I've not yet seen a Mac-only plugin, except one color synthesizer and some cycling'74 stuff. Meanwhile about half the freebies on KvR are PC only, including z3ta+, Synth1 (I believe), etc.

z3ta+ is free now?!?

Dozius · Post by **Dozius** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:14 am

grymmjack wrote:it's /not/ more stable, for christs sake.

tell me about it, the macs at college crashed more times in 8 months than this PC has in 8 years.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:46 am

Not to get into this argument.... but you guys are right, the fact is any computer that isn't well maintained will crash. The thing is the real difference is OSX in my experience has never suffered corruption from bad drivers etc. that made me have to reinstall it, and there are zero viruses for OSX. Security is simply better, due to the lack of legacy support issues I'm willing to bet.
None of this matters if you know what you're doing on a PC, but I wouldn't say it's entirely false that macs are more stable, just inaccurate in the bigger picture, a bad piece of software can make OSX hang just as easily as XP.

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:20 am

z3ta+ isn't free, I was listing it as part of KvR, but NOT the freebies.

My point was it's a well-respected PC-only.

JMC · Post by **JMC** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:03 pm

machinesworking wrote:so as a mac user why would I buy any of your "mac" compatible software?

Because we're talking about different developers here.

FL Studio is 10 man years of coding in Delphi/PC ASM code
that's impossible to port (and probably not required now that
bootcamp and emulators are getting more and more to the
point at which they become usefull).

Even if we had the option to port it might be not very wise
to convert 8 year old code and we'd start all over completely.

Our softsynths (Toxic III, DirectWave, Poizone, Morphine, ...) and
new DJ software (Deckadance) are coded in C by Argu & Maxx and
DO allow us to investigate the Mac OSX market.

peejunk · Post by **peejunk** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:03 pm

machinesworking wrote:
Toxikator wrote:

True... though in the world of music Macs aren't considered "unprofessional", PCs are...
Not here, though you get the occasional 'macs are the only pro choice' types here, they never last. It's pretty much a common theme for people to call Apple and mac users all kinds of crap here. Try being a mac user here, and at some point people will call your choice of computer elitist, computers for the computer illiterate, overpriced, etc. In the world of KVR music, macs are considered the wrong choice...
I think the only reason macs are considered 'professional' in the music industry is the prevalence of Pro Tools studios running macs. Pretty easy really to see why that would be, the plug in choice last time I checked was better on the mac side, and the hardware being homogenous to a degree lends itself to less issues. I suppose if Apple didn't exist, you would see Compaq or Dell as a music industry standard....

All that you're talking about is the reason why I feel FL on Mac is anything but viable. It carries a stigma of a toy sequencer, which makes it appealing either to very young and inexperienced users who go for the ease of use, or to those in the know, who know why FL is a power-user host to them.

Neither of these two demographics overlap with Mac users which are mostly people that go for the gloss, or social status points (you don't get either of these two with FL). On the other hand those two demographics overlap pretty tightly with gamer market, and assemble-your-own-box market which is mostly Windows based.

I know I'm generalizing here but that IS the right thing to do in this case. So to me it seems pretty sane to not invest in a Mac version with all the technical restrictions converted into man-hours of refactoring and recoding and a very limited market penetration that an OSX version of FL would have.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:50 pm

peejunk wrote:
machinesworking wrote:
Toxikator wrote: I know I'm generalizing here but that IS the right thing to do in this case. So to me it seems pretty sane to not invest in a Mac version with all the technical restrictions converted into man-hours of refactoring and recoding and a very limited market penetration that an OSX version of FL would have.

Personally I am neither a gamer, or a build it yourself PC guy, and I would get Fruity Loops for mac if it came out. Then again I don't use macs for the reasons that most PC users seem to think people use macs for, gloss and social status points, I couldn't care less about that stuff. BTW from my own experience, it's a combination of wanting your home machine to not look like the computer you use at work, a belief that Apple OS is easier and more stable, and the underdog as champion mentality that drive a lot of people towards macs.
Personally, it was Digital Performer that had me get a mac.
BTW, it is 50% of the music market for a lot of developers, and at the price point FL is, the market saturation would be pretty intense!

I personally am not that affected by it, a lot of the easy step sequencing that FL offers over other apps is accessible to me in Reactor and GURU, but I still see it as a bad business choice, though I understand the Delphi thing completely.

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:51 pm

JMC wrote:Our softsynths (Morphine,...)

JMC, I have hidden 15 grams of cocaine in your corporate HQ, and I SWEAR I will call the feds unless I see a screenshot, or a spec list, or SOMETHING.

Is this Argu's new Nord?

Maadfoo · Post by **Maadfoo** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:20 pm

Man, man, man,

I took the time right now to read all of the replies and me and my collegue are laughing while peeing in our pants when seeing this discussion.

Best regards

ctmg · Post by **ctmg** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:33 pm

Toxikator wrote:
JMC wrote:Our softsynths (Morphine,...)
JMC, I have hidden 15 grams of cocaine in your corporate HQ, and I SWEAR I will call the feds unless I see a screenshot, or a spec list, or SOMETHING.

Is this Argu's new Nord?

+1

Screenshots PLEASE!!

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:40 pm

Maadfoo wrote:Man, man, man,

I took the time right now to read all of the replies and me and my collegue are laughing while peeing in our pants when seeing this discussion.

Best regards

an other couple of fat guys playing with their pee like dirty boys

smart · Post by **smart** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:58 pm

It might be worth Didier and Fred learning C++. I hear Delphi is dying and C++ can end up on OSX or Win.

Isn't there a converter out there that will do most of the work (like 80% or something)?

ctmg · Post by **ctmg** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:03 pm

smart wrote:It might be worth Didier and Fred learning C++. I hear Delphi is dying and C++ can end up on OSX or Win.

Isn't there a converter out there that will do most of the work (like 80% or something)?

Why would there be? The paradigms are partially differnet and semantics are alot different.

Learning C++ might be a good idea, sure. I think reflex already knows.