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Midi_Glider · Post by **Midi_Glider** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:14 am

Brent,

Make sure that in thr plugin information screen there is a path directed to: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Steinberg\VST2

Or move the halion 1 folder from that location into your regular plugin folder and relaunch.

Best,
midi.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 4:22 pm

Midi_Glider wrote:Brent,

Make sure that in thr plugin information screen there is a path directed to: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Steinberg\VST2

Or move the halion 1 folder from that location into your regular plugin folder and relaunch.

Best,
midi.

I just let everything install the defaults and it has both plugin folders in the options. It worked fine on this exact system before the image restore.

But the problem is that HalionOne literally doesn't exist on my machine, even though it says it was installed. All other C5 instruments show up where they should be and they show up in Cubase. HalionOne(which uses a different installer, and it's libraries use yet more installers) just isn't there.

Going to try again now. I completely removed everything again, including all libraries and folders. We'll see what happens.

Brent

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat May 23, 2009 4:31 pm

Delete the plugin blacklist in your user folder (C5 installs a shortcut in the start menu) and do a rescan.
As for mediabay/missing Halion content, see here:
http://knowledgebase.steinberg.net/343_1.html
Hope that helps,
susiwong

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 4:49 pm

susiwong wrote:Delete the plugin blacklist in your user folder (C5 installs a shortcut in the start menu) and do a rescan.
As for mediabay/missing Halion content, see here:
http://knowledgebase.steinberg.net/343_1.html
Hope that helps,
susiwong

But I don't know that this will solve the issue. It's not just that it won't show up in Cubase. The HalionOne plugin just isn't on my system. I've searched for it everywhere, including full system searches. It THINKS it's installed, but it's not there.

EDIT: I just deleted my blacklist file, and it replaces it with the same file, with everything blacklisted. Cubase is blacklisting almost all my instrument plugins, and many effects, for no apparent reason. These plugins have never caused problems anywhere else, INCLUDING C5 when I originally installed it. What gives?

Also, HalionOne shows up in the blacklist. However, the location that it says HalionOne is at(according to the blacklist file) DOES NOT EXIST. HalionOne literally doesn't appear anywhere that I can find. And even plugins that DO appear on my system, don't appear in Cubase due to blacklisting.

I'm confused big time. Same system with fully updated OS just as it was before I restored to the image. Nothing has changed with the system itself. Why would this be going crazy like this?

Brent

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 4:50 pm

Oh, and the HalionOne content DOES exist. The second disk has been installed and everything is there. I can locate every single part of the library, including the extra content set, GM set, drum set, Expression set, Pro set, and more. Just HalionOne doesn't exist.

Brent

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:02 pm

Oh, and sometimes now, Cubase will crash during the plugin scan and my debugger blames the VSTPluginManager.dll. Not every time, just a couple of times here and there. Most of the time the scan finishes. But this is another thing that didn't happen before.

I trashed my blacklist file, my VST2 plugins file, and my Plugin information file. Problem persists.

Something ain't right. This is my first bad experience with Cubase. I'm sure I'll get it sorted, and all will be well in the world again. But it's frustrating.

Brent

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:19 pm

Can't tell for sure as I have a C4.5 parallel install, but it appears that Halion One is included in the Cubase Plug-in Set.vst3 container, that could be the explanation why you can't find it. It's VST3 ...
Don't know about the blacklist problem though.
What other plugs are blacklisted ?
Oh, and since it's Vista

, are you sure your permissions are set correctly ?
That's a frequent cause for trouble.
Being logged on as admin often isn't sufficient ... damn MS paranoia, caution is good, dumbing down is not. End of rant.
Cheers,
susiwong

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:24 pm

Ok, I found HalionOne.dll. It's in the Program Files/Common Files/Steinberg/VST2 folder, which is the folder that Cubase has listed in it's plugin manager.

It's not Vista, I'm pretty sure. I have had absolutely zero issues with permissions. This is just an earlier version of an already set up OS install. I set my preferences and user settings and permissions back when I got the system, and this image is from far later.

For kicks, I even right clicked the update installers and ran as administrator, but no luck.

This is truly bizarre.

Brent

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:46 pm

OK, I checked, you're correct, Halion One is VST2.4 and you've found the correct location.
So much for the VST3 theory ...
Strange issue indeed, never heard anything like it.
Especially since you got other blacklisted plugs, too ...
Installing and registering Halion One content in Mediabay is tricky, granted, but that's not your current problem.

Good luck,
susiwong

I'll check back in one or two hours in case there are new findings.

tadam · Post by **tadam** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:51 pm

Cubase 5 surpasses what C4 hinted.
After the "revolution", dropping DX, VST3. The evolution. Quite amazing.

Nevertheless the great new features, what still amazes me more in Cubase it's its tools palette since day one.
That's the crux of my workflow.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:52 pm

I'm wiping everything again and trying one final time. I just don't know what is wrong here. Like I said, ALL of the plugins on the blacklist are plugins that scanned perfectly fine before. I don't know how to figure out what would be different.

I'm scouring out every single area of my hard drive to get rid of anything with relation to Steinberg, and starting over. This includes the registry(making sure of what each entry is before deleting them). Something's gotta give here.

Brent

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:59 pm

For comparison, file size of HalionOne.dll is 26,557,952 bytes.
Another shot in the dark, can't verify as I ditched my Vista install for the time being: Are the existing permissions also valid for folders created after you set the permissions ?
Cheers,
susiwong

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:01 pm

susiwong wrote:For comparison, file size of HalionOne.dll is 26,557,952 bytes.
Another shot in the dark, can't verify as I ditched my Vista install for the time being: Are the existing permissions also valid for folders created after you set the permissions ?
Cheers,
susiwong

I don't know. But I know that I haven't messed with permissions since I first got the machine and figured out Vista's little nuances with file permissions and specific folders. So I don't know what would have been different with this install as opposed to the newer one I was using before.

Doing my registry search now.

Brent

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:32 pm

Man, you are having trouble huh? Vista? Is that Vista security thingy off?

Look in the Plug In Information window in Cubase and see if it's shown there. I can't imagine how but maybe it got unchecked. Anything unchecked there doesn't show up in the application.

Also, if you look on the install CD folders there should be a Halion One install program executable separate from the main install routine which includes everything. You can try to install with that.

Search your entire system for HALionOne.dll. It's gotta be there somewhere.

If you can't find it download it here. I uploaded the dll here...
HALionOne.dll 15mb here not 26mb. Copy it to one of your VST Plugins folders. Once you get it launching you can right click on it and point it to the content.

The stand alone install/content files for Halion are on the main install DVD in \Cubase 5 For Windows\Additional Content\HALion One folder.

The content is *.hsb files if you need to search for those on your hard drive.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:39 pm

Yes, the Vista security stuff is all fine. I never have any problems with it. I turned off the UAC when I got the system, and set all my security preferences when I got it. Haven't touched them since then.

The blacklisted plugins did not appear in the Plugin Information window. I did check that already.

I also tried installing HalionOne using it's own installer from the disk instead of the overal C5 installer. I even downloaded the version from the FTP, but no luck.

I think you missed above though where I did find where HalionOne was located. So the plugin was there, and in the plugin folder that was listed in C5. The odd thing is that the HalionOne that was blacklisted referenced a folder that didn't exist. How did it find a plugin and blacklist it in a folder that wasn't there?

Also, I had no problem finding ALL of the HalionOne content files. Those were all in place.

The problem seems to be with the pluginmanager.dll thing. It is blacklisting files for no apparent reason, including C5's own HalionOne. Things it didn't blacklist before. And it's not like it's blacklisting a folder because of permissions, because a couple of the plugins in those folders DID appear.

Ok, I cleared everything out related to Cubase and Steinberg from my hard drive, and cleaned my registry of the same types of things. I'm going to start over now and see what happens. If it doesn't work, then I'm baffled beyond ideas.

Brent

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