Largo demo version available!

[MaxSynths]

Come on guys, I know it's a new toy and there was a lot of expectations, but somebody should tell the truth: this synth really suck! Komplexer is way better and more efficient on CPU. Largo fails in the more important aspects every musician should consider: sound quality and CPU usage IMHO.

I didn't even tried to write a short tune with it, I simply hate it. I'm happy to have been so patient to wait the demo avoiding to waste my moneys!

Can't believe Waldorf made this thing. CAN'T BE-LIE-VE IT!

What is wrong with quality? Tell me, WHERE you see bad quality there?
I think it's the most quality synth in the market now.

A lot of people had problems with VAnguard sound. Ok I always thinked that Vanguard has a good sound, a bit hards but unique and if you handle it with care is a wonderful synth. The Largo sound quality is the same as a bad copy of Vanguard: is harsh, has a weird hi end response, clicks and pop here and there (no it's not my echo layla...), absolutely the worst effect section I ever heard and a lot of other things probably. Maybe the filter section is quite decent.

I'm really disappointed. I owned hardware gear by Waldorf, the PPG software and I have the Blofeld on my "to buy" list... now if I make a comparison between these products and Largo... well! It's a scandal. It's really a piece of crap. Let the enthusiasm slow down and most people will be aware of this. I'm saying this a Waldorf fan: retire this thing from the market, fire up (with a fuel tank!) the developers and start the whole thing from scratch! I'm not kidding when I say there's a lot of free SE stuff which sounds better than Largo!

Max

[MaxSynths]

However, I will rather go for a if-you-do-not-have-anything-positive-to-say-then-STFU-principle.

As a potential customer, and having contributed a lot to feed Mr. Waldorf bank account in the past, I feel the need to express my negative comment. Sorry.

[Mescalito]

Initial thoughts on Largo demo:

Good
-Sound is pretty good. I don't think its as good as Massive, but it does have a stereo signal path and its easier on the CPU.
-Mod Matrix is very flexible.
-Envelopes are great.
-Its wonderful to have so many wavetable choices.
-Pickup drive is very powerful and cool on some sounds.

Bad
-Is anyone else completely shocked by the synced delay? Seriously, they have packed dozens of crazy times in there like 31/128ths or 7/64T. But for the life of me I could not find 3/16ths! I truly can't believe the delay was released in that state. It's the definition of fiddly.
-The chorus sounds awful.
-Filter FM sounds uncontrollable. No other digital synth that offers this is so "noisy".
-The wavetables really could benefit from some aliasing options. They are very, very clean and could use a bit of dirt.
-The GUI is extremely busy. The GUI response feels laggy. Sometimes moving controls on the GUI can glitch the sound.
-The patch quality is *extremely* uneven. Some patches are virtually silent, they are so quiet. Once again, I'm shocked that they could be released in that state.

Overall its a promising synth that could get much better with some additional versions. But I think for what it does, its very expensive. And between Thor and Massive I'm not sure I'd reach for Largo much... (very similar architectures)

best statement so far

The Largo Demo is just out for two days how can people say its shit!
I be under the impression that they just stepping through the presets twiddle on the Cutoff and thats it.Im made Largo presets the hole night and I really fall in love with the Largo sound.
Its very common the amount of lacks in the beginning.So there is alot room for improvements...Just give it a little time.It was the same with Alchemy and I see it coming with SynthSquad...too much more

[MaxSynths]

Absolutely! Imho (I know this sounds arrogant) many people just can't set a good synth apart from a bad synth!

Right! Well said!
Have fun with Largo then.

[Ingonator]

Absolutely! Imho (I know this sounds arrogant) many people just can't set a good synth apart from a bad synth!

Right! Well said!
Have fun with Largo then.

Come on, at some point bashing a synth over and over again gets really boring. At least for me. I guess that NOW everyone here understood how you think about Largo.

If you want to contribute some serious thoughts about improving Largo instead of just wanting it to disappear from this world you could enter the Waldorf forum: http://www.waldorf-forum.com/cgi-bin/ma ... user-forum
http://www.waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/ ... /date.html

[rectus_dominus]

Why am I feeling that there are people who spend more time defending their opinion than actually testing this synth?

[Ingonator]

Why am I feeling that there are people who spend more time defending their opinion than actually testing this synth?

+1

[filterfilter]

Absolutely! Imho (I know this sounds arrogant) many people just can't set a good synth apart from a bad synth!

Right! Well said!
Have fun with Largo then.

...and if I wanna have GREAT FUN,I will reach for the VANGUARD!! HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[Ingonator]

If you think about the short time Largo is out it's amazing how much already happened: An update, a demo, new patches... That'S far away from being a bad support by Waldorf. If you wantto know something about the philosophy behind Largo, read this post from the Largo developer Wolfram Franke at the Waldorf forum: http://www.waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/ ... 20155.html

It was no problem to contact Waldorf via the forum or even communicating directly with Wolfram Franke. You just have to do it. For serious bug fixing you also can contact Waldorf: support@waldorfmusic.de or bugs@waldorfmusic.de or wolfram@franke.net

[JKervinen]

Why am I feeling that there are people who spend more time defending their opinion than actually testing this synth?

+ 1

I've actually made my best patches with this software. It beats up my zebra, which was great, but the largo is better in my use.

gui is alot better than in sylent1, which looks like crap. why not blow up sylenth and dump the programmers for it's gui? sylent sound is better but in mac, largo uses less cpu, even when using 4 parts together.

this is the point where i'll stop my comparision with other softwares, because, many of you don't just simply get the point that every software has it's own purpose and own user groups.

don't be jack ass and whine about it's quality, if it won't suit in our rig.

as in electronic music producer, this is one of the best stuffs happened to me.
it's simple, fast to program, yet not bug free, but will be.

i thought that i'll compare my largo with my micro q and blofeld, but i came to a point, where i thought, why should i?

micro q and blofeld are also far from being the same unit, so why compare softwares together?

listen to demos, and you'll hear if it's good or not. don't blaim the developers about what they've done. it's up to you if they've reached you as a buyer or not. i'm in anyway.

the point is: if you don't like it, don't go mental about it. you can say it nicely without sending death letters to developers.

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then into the more interesting stuff:

you can move the licenses from dongle to pc or pc to dongle and same with mac.
you don't need the dongle to install the software! just to make sure for the next reader.

i love the multi feature in it, as i was very familar with komplexer layout before moving into mac platform. just select patches in part 1 and then copy part into slot 2, 3 or 4. dead simple.

chorus is not good and i've made my statement of that to waldorf as well.
it sounds like square wave is doing the chorus modulation instead of sine wave or triangle. (many of the noobs won't even understand that, but yet being able to whine about quality..)

everything else in this synth is pure waldorf and it's a huge ++++ to waldorf team that they've listened to us and came up with the software.

can't wait to get my hands on blofeld editor, which should be out later this year.

go and download it, use it properly and get the details of synthesism and you'll find it atleast good rather than crap. then please, don't kill me for this point of view..

[fgimian]

Bad
-Is anyone else completely shocked by the synced delay? Seriously, they have packed dozens of crazy times in there like 31/128ths or 7/64T. But for the life of me I could not find 3/16ths! I truly can't believe the delay was released in that state. It's the definition of fiddly.
-The chorus sounds awful.
-The GUI is extremely busy. The GUI response feels laggy. Sometimes moving controls on the GUI can glitch the sound.

Couldn't agree more with these points in particular, the delay drove me nuts until I figured out I could actually tpe values ... even then, it wouldn't let me type 3/16, what the?? 1/4 works ok thank God

[MaxSynths]

Nothing more to add Ingonator!

Have fun!

Max

[Ingonator]

Bad
-Is anyone else completely shocked by the synced delay? Seriously, they have packed dozens of crazy times in there like 31/128ths or 7/64T. But for the life of me I could not find 3/16ths! I truly can't believe the delay was released in that state. It's the definition of fiddly.
-The chorus sounds awful.
-The GUI is extremely busy. The GUI response feels laggy. Sometimes moving controls on the GUI can glitch the sound.

Couldn't agree more with these points in particular, the delay drove me nuts until I figured out I could actually tpe values ... even then, it wouldn't let me type 3/16, what the?? 1/4 works ok thank God

If you turn off the "Clock" button you can use "normal" values like 0...127. With "Clock" turned on you sync the value to the hosts rate. This also corresponds to other features which have that "Clock" button.

[fgimian]

Bad
-Is anyone else completely shocked by the synced delay? Seriously, they have packed dozens of crazy times in there like 31/128ths or 7/64T. But for the life of me I could not find 3/16ths! I truly can't believe the delay was released in that state. It's the definition of fiddly.
-The chorus sounds awful.
-The GUI is extremely busy. The GUI response feels laggy. Sometimes moving controls on the GUI can glitch the sound.

Couldn't agree more with these points in particular, the delay drove me nuts until I figured out I could actually tpe values ... even then, it wouldn't let me type 3/16, what the?? 1/4 works ok thank God

If you turn off the "Clock" button you can use "normal" values like 0...127. With "Clock" turned on you sync the value to the hosts rate. This also corresponds to other features which have that "Clock" button.

But we want it to sync, just to normal, human values ... many synths have 2 selectors for this to make it easier, the time value and the divisor

e.g.

3/16 could easily be achieved by setting delay time to 3 and divisor by 16 .etc

[IncarnateX]

Absolutely! Imho (I know this sounds arrogant) many people just can't set a good synth apart from a bad synth!

Hmm...I think you mean that many people can not tell what YOU think is a good synth apart from what YOU think is a bad synth...and actually...

that makes sense and would not be arrogant, because fact is that other people is not you!

Unless, of course, that you really mean that your oppinions are over and above all others and thus define what IS a good synth and what IS a bad synth in general. Now THAT would be arrogant...and infantile...and pretty stupid!