rhythm.

[jancivil]

To be quite frank, I frequent several forums on several topics, but I have never found any other where everybody seems to take everything everybody says so totally literally to the very last syllable and takes every single example not as - well - an example that is just there to give an idea of a concept instead of writing a super-exhaustive encyclopaedia on any silly subject, but as the one and only thing to elaborate on...
"Rocking steady and slow is mo sexy to me" from beginning to the very end? You're pretty peculiar... .

Yeah, I'm a dyke even. Males cumming big loads on pretty faces is hot too, but in music, faster faster humping oh god I'm coming... *IMO*, NOT SO MUCH. Beethoven et al and all this V - I, wait for it, that I CHORD IS ON THE WAY, I'm humping now... (or what Zappa likes to call the inevitable climax at the end of a certain kind of solo "I'm SQUIRTING!!") is tedious to me. For a similar perspective, cf. Feminine Endings by Susan McClary.
I'm sure you can't relate, guess what, it's mutual.

I gave a sort of disclaimer 'argumentative on purpose for entertainment purposes', but you gotta take exception in the same sort of specficity you object to in my post.

You made a sort of case for 'we haven't evolved really past primitive impulses in our musical response'; it's there in what you said. I say: speak for yourself.

As far as your conclusion regarding African music, you've played with how many Africans exactly? The guy I jam with, let's call him Africa Man, is straight out of the tradition in the field, but he also excels in thought about the object; we've had very specific conversations about the subdivision of the time after a jam. That concurs with some of my reading of African writers on the subject as well.

You wanna stick with these conclusions based pretty much on some unexamined premises, that's your prerogative. I find them to be bogus, and I won't apologize for expressing that.

[daz.diamond]

Indian population : 1,1 Billion
Scandanavian population : 25 Million

IN GENERAL, it's easier to find more Indians than Scandinavians

[Mac of BIOnighT]

I say: speak for yourself.

Which is exactly what I was telling you.

As far as your conclusion regarding African music,

What did I just say about examples?

you've played with how many Africans exactly?

Sorry, I only play with Scandinavians, but ONLY if they get moved by classical Indian music

we've had very specific conversations about the subdivision of the time after a jam.

I believe somebody who knows more than me made a post on this subject somewhere above...

That concurs with some of my reading of African writers on the subject as well.

Just because we seems to have a communication problem, I'd like to repeat it was just an example and that in any case I was referring to primitive drum 'n' log African music, not the modern after white colonization electric guitar kind of African music, OK?

You wanna stick with these conclusions based pretty much on some unexamined premises,

Unexamined by you, I've got a brain and I can reach my own conclusions based on what I see and get in contact with in terms of information, if you don't mind.

that's your prerogative.

It sure is.

I find them to be bogus, and I won't apologize for expressing that.

Just like I won't apologize for saying that in your assumptions I see all the arrogance and delusion of modern man who thinks he's really evolved way above animals, and I find that very sad.
I would also like to say that I have absolutely nothing against you personally (I just realized I don't even know who I'm talking to, I forgot to read your name even while citing your posts) and quite obviously all this is just for (steril and useless) discussion's sake.

[Mac of BIOnighT]

Indian population : 1,1 Billion
Scandanavian population : 25 Million

IN GENERAL, it's easier to find more Indians than Scandinavians

Chinese population: 1.4 billion
Indian population : 1.1 billion
Scandanavian population : 25 Million
IN GENERAL, it's even easier to find more Chinese people than both Indians and Scandinavians

[daz.diamond]

[jancivil]

we've had very specific conversations about the subdivision of the time after a jam...
That concurs with some of my reading of African writers on the subject as well.

Just because we seems to have a communication problem, I'd like to repeat it was just an example and that in any case I was referring to primitive drum 'n' log African music, not the modern after white colonization electric guitar kind of African music, OK?

Oh, I see what you did there. Africans are primitive, and when somebody thinks about it, they gotta be a colonial force. Do YOU see what you did there. My argument is that Africa Man (I was so busy talking shop about how absolutely independently he was subdividing a cycle that came around after 36 cycles, and stuff such as this I never got his name) is intellectually SUBLIME - owing to his experiences with the drum choir in his village, logs or what-have-you, but it's rhythmically less primitive than most - if not all - western music. (At the time he was using beer bottles and coffee cans and the bus stop bench to supplement his bongo set and the foot operated tambourine.) You're ignorance of what I'm talking about, is obvious. I don't know much about this latter example at all, I know vaguely some Steve Reich trip and some clueless thing he made after a few weeks of immersion... What did I write "African Writers", how did that get transformed into what you said? You're confused, stumbling over yourself to support your basic premise. To repeat myself: I am talking about experience with African music, and conferred with some African music writers. You opined based on supporting your initial, bullshit premise, and said nothing I can respect.

You wanna stick with these conclusions based pretty much on some unexamined premises,

Unexamined by you...

I just examined your conclusions on what I said and find them loud and empty, and that you have inserted your premises (eg., african = primitive, therefore no intellectuallization of that activity can have been done and should not be done) which seem to have corrupted your thought wholly.

and it's NOT personal, it's an argument, which I made because I believe you to be wrong and loudly so. I found what I do see as bogus premises resulting in goofy conclusions.

[Mac of BIOnighT]

Oh, I see what you did there. Africans are primitive, and when somebody thinks about it, they gotta be a colonial force.

Oh, brother Friend, you do have a problem... if anything, I was saying that the African pure, original music was damaged by the intervention of white people. Like you and your fake and pompous intellectualism, for example.

and said nothing I can respect.

I don't think you're capable of any respect at all for anything and anybody that is not exactly like you. And this is personal.

[vurt]

Oh, I see what you did there. Africans are primitive, and when somebody thinks about it, they gotta be a colonial force.

Oh, brother Friend, you do have a problem... if anything, I was saying that the African pure, original music was damaged by the intervention of white people. Like you and your fake and pompous intellectualism, for example.

and said nothing I can respect.

I don't think you're capable of any respect at all for anything and anybody that is not exactly like you. And this is personal.

now you see why i edited my previous post.

we need a :yawn: or :bored: emoticon.

[dburns]

"I've got rhythm, I've got music, I've got babies, who could ask for anything more?"

Roman Catholic mother.

(Rhythm birth control...babies...get it? Yuk yuk.)

[Foxwolfen]

I saw some science dude cited at 'net new music' forum which posited that music is a 'secondary language' (ie., that 'new music' has a 'failure to communicate' generally, and in support of this, 'some science'); that music, if not language, has something to do with (echoing) biological and neurological processes and when music strays too far from these organic combos of stuff going on, it goes beyond audience comprehension.

I think that's a total crock, personally. You get to (and you might search here for this if you're truly hurting for entertainment) things like, 'my heartbeat is a binary pulse, so duple rhythm is the most natural one'.
('odd time signatures', music theory board) out of this kind of thought. MAMA HEARTBEAT RULES OK.

I said much the same thing in my second to last song (spoken word). Music is a language in its own right. A form of communication that is universally understood.

While you may think its a crock (and maybe it is), there is a lot of science to support the idea.

http://www.ascendant-online.net/gallery ... 4beat.html