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alejandrozalaquett · Post by **alejandrozalaquett** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:51 pm

Why?
Is there any way to sample it to use it on a VST?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:01 am

You must be crazy

Ever heard Pianoteq 3.5?

apolo · Post by **apolo** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:19 am

alejandrozalaquett wrote:Why?
Is there any way to sample it to use it on a VST?

Sure... samplerobot...!

http://www.samplerobot.de/english/index.php

I have found Sampletekk's TBO acceptable... its a matter of taste...

http://www.sampletekk.com/proddetail.ph ... 026-FORMAT

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:26 am

Probably because the piano patches are made specifically for that hardware. One problem with software pianos and libraries is that they are made to work with hundreds of controllers and are not fine-tuned for any one of them. Built in pianos and other patches generally sound good because they are made just for that controller or synth or workstation, and are adjusted for an exact fit.

The way velocities and feel are received are a big deal. Many products allow you to tweak these things, especially Pianoteq. But it takes some time to get it right, and even then, there are intangibles that come into play.

Brent

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:30 am

that's my thought, too.

flugel45 · Post by **flugel45** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:53 am

Better? Or more realistic? Two different things, depending on the listener. There are some nice sounding HW synth/pianos to be sure, but I wouldn't say any of them could hold a candle to the likes of Ivory or a few others in terms of realism.

Methinks you're just in love with your piano.

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:24 pm

A sine of the tines.

alejandrozalaquett · Post by **alejandrozalaquett** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:14 pm

Thanks for the replies. Very informative.
The thing I don't understand is how they pack all the sounds in 64MB.

I tried the samplerobot and it is impossible to sample a good piano in less than 2GB.

hollowsun · Post by **hollowsun** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:53 pm

alejandrozalaquett wrote:Thanks for the replies. Very informative.
The thing I don't understand is how they pack all the sounds in 64MB.

Because the fellas at Roland (and Korg and Yamaha and other hardware manufacturers) are masters of the dying art of 'bonsai' sampling - optimising everything down the the very last millisecond and kilobyte to squeeze the maximum into very small ROM footprints with all sorts of 'old skool' trickery and sleight of hand.

These are people who, like me, squeezed grand pianos onto 1.4MB floppy disks back in the day

Cheers,

Steve

thysm00 · Post by **thysm00** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:42 pm

I don't know that roland piano, but are you sure it sounds better than any vst? Could you send us a little demo?

By the way if the sampled pianos sound bad to you, it means that the sampling process makes it sound bad, so there is no point in sampling it

But i really think that you should listen to some more piano sample library, there are thousand of them out there and some of them sound really good and are very playable.

Fidelity · Post by **Fidelity** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:46 pm

ouroboros wrote:A sine of the tines.

As for the sound...I think it's a personal thing. I've tried the V-piano in person and the latest pianoteq trial, and disliked the first / hated the latter. I think that EWQL's old bosendorfer is inferior sonically to their steinway b, despite the additional velocity layers...I know others would disagree.

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:48 pm

Best I've found is Galaxy II For small footprint the Pianos in the Korg M1 are great as well.

K-Bee · Post by **K-Bee** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:52 pm

I actually agree with the OP about hardware pianos. After I got my Kurzweil Pc3x it has blown pretty much every piano vst/sample library I've heard out of the water. A friend of mine owns a Roland RD700 and with a little tweaking the acoustic piano does the same.
I remember being stunned when I first heard the Fazioli grand in Colossus. I heard it recently again and now I think it's far from convincing.

Nokenoku · Post by **Nokenoku** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:07 pm

Imo, there are more than enough really really good VSTi-Pianos.

Try the Sampletekk ones, or GalaxyII, or Ivory, or the ones from East West and VSL, or even TruePianos.

If it doesn't "feel" right, try some different velocity-curves.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:24 pm

alejandrozalaquett wrote: The thing I don't understand is how they pack all the sounds in 64MB.

To add to Hollowsun's excellent reply, Roland sometimes uses a propitiatory compression format for their samples. I don't know if the piano samples you refer to are compressed, but certainly most keyboards (in the 1990s especially) had sample data compressed.

Why does my Roland RD600 sound better than any VST piano?