Rhino and the Library browser

[himalaya]

Hi Big Tick,

Here's a Library Browser feature request:

It would be very useful and time saving for all sounds in any given bank to automatically populate their respective sound category folders.
So, if I load a sound bank with a mix of pads, bass, leads and key presets, these would all be placed in the Pads, Bass, Leads, Keys Library folders automatically. There was a short discussion on this topic in this thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 20&start=0

What is your take on this ?

Also, it would be helpful to have an option to export a newly created Library, so that if I create it on my desktop, I could then import it in Rhino on my laptop.

[Big Tick]

Hi,

The reason why the presets aren't classified by default is because I found that the classification would vary drastically from user to user: for example, some users like to use it to quickly access their favourite presets. In addition, one user's "synth lead" might be another one's "synth bass"...

This said, I can tell you that the library browser is going to go through a *major* change in the next version (not the one coming out in a few days with the release of the OSX version, but the next one). It will address this, and much more

'Tick

[himalaya]

It will address this, and much more

'Tick

That's great then ! It will really help. Is there a time table for the next release you mentioned ? (not OSX).

I can tell you that the library browser is going to go through a *major* change in the next version

However, I hope that you don't change the overall look or functionality of the browser. Personally, I like the way it is now very much , as explained in the link above.

If you are revamping the browser, is there any room for feature suggestions ? If there are, I have two:
1. export/import of the library browser. So if I create a library on my main desktop PC, I would like to import it into Rhino on my laptop.

2. Preset mood/description tagging/searching. For example:
Pad - bright, smooth, VA
Pad - dark, vocal, choir
Pad - rhythmic, glassy, additive

So we would be able to search presets using meaningful descriptions. I do understand that this system is open to interpretation, and one person's 'smooth' is another's 'thin' or 'harsh'. But at least it will go some way towards zooming in and selecting a few presets out of hundreds on a whim, and this will be particularly useful for those who have never bothered selecting and organising a 'favourites' folder.

On a second thought, this feature suggestion looks like a major undertaking, as it would mean that all presets created thus far, would need to be tagged. So, perhaps it is not a very practical suggestion after all ?

Anyway, food for thought.

[Klemperer]

Great ideas from both of you, from my humble user's view. I like what 'tick says - I seem to organize my sounds completely different from, say, NI in their kore player...I just use very very different categories, and I place a hell of a lot sounds as "pads", he he...which others surely won't.

[Big Tick]

well, 1) is already there - just copy the rhino.db file over. This is your library.

As for 2), do you know you can create your own keywords, as well as use full-text search for the presets ? It's all in the right-click menu...

I can't really tell more about the browser changes yet, but it is definitely something designed with usability in mind. As for ETA, well.... I've been notorious for letting deadlines slip in the past

'Tick

[himalaya]

well, 1) is already there - just copy the rhino.db file over. This is your library.

Cool! That was the quickest feature request fulfilment in history of feature requests. Thanks Tick.

As for 2), do you know you can create your own keywords, as well as use full-text search for the presets ? It's all in the right-click menu...

Yes, I have seen it, but never used it. The problem is, there is no system for tagging each preset and the search has to rely on the preset name. The preset name will often have no relevance to the content of the sound. The system I have described gives finer search results.

[Sequent]

Cool to hear that things are afoot and especially to hear that our OSX brothers and sisters will be able to share in the fun very shortly!

I didn't know about the db file so I'm glad I peeked in on this thread.

When I was setting up my notebook I just grabbed all the sound folders from my notebook, threw them on a thumbdrive, and replaced the sound folders on the notebook. Seemed to work. And that was even going from WinXp to Win7. The current Rhino seems to work fine in Win7, btw.

I'll have to explore the right-click functionality. Being a newer user, I hadn't really gotten there yet. Simply being able to search for key words (which apparently one can do already) might suffice. Then it's a matter of the programmer keying in the appropriate words when they're setting up the programs. I actually like the current approach in that case, because it seems not to be as rigid-minded as say Kore. Also, it's easy enough to edit things to your personal taste as you go along. You could, for example, further refine the descriptions to suit your own feelings on each particular sound, and you could also assign your own ratings, etc.

THAT, actually, might be a good thing: have a rating field as an additional separate and search-able entity within the preset browser

As I said, I'm just a new user, so please take all of that accordingly.

[Big Tick]

Yes, I have seen it, but never used it. The problem is, there is no system for tagging each preset and the search has to rely on the preset name. The preset name will often have no relevance to the content of the sound. The system I have described gives finer search results.

The full-text search also uses the text in the preset description (the 4 lines on the first page) so if the original preset designer has entered a relevant description there, you will find it.

'Tick

[himalaya]

Great ideas from both of you, from my humble user's view. I like what 'tick says - I seem to organize my sounds completely different from, say, NI in their kore player...I just use very very different categories, and I place a hell of a lot sounds as "pads", he he...which others surely won't.

Yes, I completely appreciate and understand that users may organise sounds using their preferred system. However, similarly there are users who just prefer to go with a default system and never bother with too much re-arranging. I also don't like messing about with shuffling data around. I mean, a 'pad' is called a 'pad' for a reason, and should go to a 'pads' folder in the default synth library. If however, the user subsequently decides to move some pads into another folder, so be it, nothing wrong with that.

[himalaya]

Yes, I have seen it, but never used it. The problem is, there is no system for tagging each preset and the search has to rely on the preset name. The preset name will often have no relevance to the content of the sound. The system I have described gives finer search results.

The full-text search also uses the text in the preset description (the 4 lines on the first page) so if the original preset designer has entered a relevant description there, you will find it.

'Tick

Ah ha ! Bingo ! That is brilliant ! I never new that. Is this documented ? I had a quick peek at the PDF and did not see any reference to this. But how cool is that !

I might just re do all my presets then !

[jens]

I've been notorious for letting deadlines slip in the past

Deadlines are things that we pass through on the way to finishing.