The future with iPad - really worth a look

[kbaccki]

Also you're supposed to have Flash to make Flash apps, but I guess that's not a concern for everybody.

You could go with Flex...

Well that's great. So presumably you, anyone, can go with Flex, now. So who does? And if not, why not? I think that's what Henry was originally getting at there. There's more to determioning what works in the real world than what is available, technically possible, or even 'better' by some measures.

My only point was that you don't need Flash to make Flash apps. There are probably content-related things that a Flash developer might want to do that is very hard to do without Flash... I don't know, I'm not a flash dev. If all you need is some buttons and controls and fancy widgets with pretty graphics, all of that can be done pretty easily by hand in an afternoon without Flash.

I think we're talking about two unrelated things here. Flash and later Flex (and now AIR), and similar technologies (Dojo, Silverlight, etc.), were created with the specific intent of making web-based user experiences "richer"... whether that's through visual coolness, interactivity, usability, whatever. On the other side of the coin we have mobile apps running on phones, PDAs, iThings, whatever... You could have rich internet apps without any thought toward mobile apps, and vice versa. It just so happens that certain technologies could crossover between web and mobile -- in particular Flash/Flex. But opening up a mobile platform to Flash/Flex basically gives you a platform within a platform... as somebody pointed out above -- Apple doesn't want an open platform, therefore no Flash/Flex. [EDIT: that would be user stk on page 16 -- http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 62#4044062]

And let's not forget about Java... same deal. If you had a Java runtime running on an iPad you wouldn't need to go buy Apple-approved applet thingies at $5 a pop... Does the iPad support Java? Uh, that would be a no, AFAIK.

[masstronaut]

Well, you can limit yourself any which way. I could equally say, why use an ipad as the remote when your whole DAW could be multitouch. Cubase and others have graphical templates for controlling synths. I just wanted to point out that there are other devices out there and that ipad was nothing new and Apples idea of it being a game changer is optimistic.

Yeah but multitouch is just another buzzwork and a way to sell something, so who cares.

Using something like that Dell as a 'wireless DAW' probably isn't going o work out too well right now. And using it as a control surface would be overkill. So the iPad offers something there, that's one place it can sit. You have your DAW, and you have a really flexible wireless controller, if that's what you want. No limitation.

[UltraJv]

Well, you can limit yourself any which way. I could equally say, why use an ipad as the remote when your whole DAW could be multitouch. Cubase and others have graphical templates for controlling synths. I just wanted to point out that there are other devices out there and that ipad was nothing new and Apples idea of it being a game changer is optimistic.

Yeah but multitouch is just another buzzwork and a way to sell something, so who cares.

Using something like that Dell as a 'wireless DAW' probably isn't going o work out too well right now. And using it as a control surface would be overkill. So the iPad offers something there, that's one place it can sit. You have your DAW, and you have a really flexible wireless controller, if that's what you want. No limitation.

lol - you were saying multitouch is an amazing advantage not me. You were happy with that until you saw it already out on the Dell. As I said - im happy with my controller with real knobs.

[masstronaut]

My only point was that you don't need Flash to make Flash apps. There are probably content-related things that a Flash developer might want to do that is very hard to do without Flash... I don't know, I'm not a flash dev. If all you need is some buttons and controls and fancy widgets with pretty graphics, all of that can be done pretty easily by hand in an afternoon without Flash.

I think we're talking about two unrelated things here. Flash and later Flex (and now AIR), and similar technologies (Dojo, Silverlight, etc.), were created with the specific intent of making web-based user experiences "richer"... whether that's through visual coolness, interactivity, usability, whatever. On the other side of the coin we have mobile apps running on phones, PDAs, iThings, whatever... You could have rich internet apps without any thought toward mobile apps, and vice versa. It just so happens that certain technologies could crossover between web and mobile -- in particular Flash/Flex. But opening up a mobile platform to Flash/Flex basically gives you a platform within a platform... as somebody pointed out above -- Apple doesn't want an open platform, therefore no Flash/Flex. [EDIT: that would be user stk on page 16 -- http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 62#4044062]

And let's not forget about Java... same deal. If you had a Java runtime running on an iPad you wouldn't need to go buy Apple-approved applet thingies at $5 a pop... Does the iPad support Java? Uh, that would be a no, AFAIK.

So because something could be done in Flash developers would suddenly decide to give everything away for free? Why don't they? Where is the Flash app store with tens of thousands of products?

Yeah I know what Flash is and where it's come from. A lot of iPhone OS apps do go well beyond what you can do in Flash though.

And yes Apple are well into CONTROL, but I think one reason for that is they want to control the kind of experience users can expect on those products. You may or may not agree with the philosophy or politics of that but I don't think it's simply about wanting to monopolise the Apps market. They recognise that perception and user experience is important.

Shit, web based Java stuff can be unwieldy even on a half decent PC.

[masstronaut]

lol - you were saying multitouch is an amazing advantage not me. You were happy with that until you saw it already out on the Dell. As I said - im happy with my controller with real knobs.

The green text was a quote. Lol.

To me multitouch is just another buzzword and a way to sell something. To me, my Netbook works in the capacity as a musical tool just fine.

[UltraJv]

lol - you were saying multitouch is an amazing advantage not me. You were happy with that until you saw it already out on the Dell. As I said - im happy with my controller with real knobs.

The green text was a quote. Lol.

To me multitouch is just another buzzword and a way to sell something. To me, my Netbook works in the capacity as a musical tool just fine.

Im not buying the Dell either

[masstronaut]

The Mac wasn't the first computer to use a mouse and windows but Apple packaged the ideas so that people could access and understand them. Users then found all sorts of new ways to work with computers.

The iPod wasn't the first portable media player, and maybe never the 'best', but Apple packaged the idea so that people could access and understand it. Even then it took quite a while for many to catch on. What does it do?

Say the iPad doesn't have a purpose, but look at the stuff that's being done with it already. It's only been available a few days. It's not the first tablet format multitouch portable computer but it's been packaged in such a way as to make it accessible and understandable. These things are of no use whatsoever unless people actually want to use them.¥, regardless of technical hairsplitting and dubious business practices.

[masstronaut]

Im not buying the Dell either

What makes you think anyone cares to know that? Though I'm sure Dell will be gutted.

[Optomadic]

They recognise that perception and user experience is important.

Yea Jesus tears fell from heaven when Apple removed apps deemed too racy

[tomg]

Apple is too late to actually own the market. I suspect by next year we'll see much better slate PCs than these for even less money.

Eee PC Touch Demo Video


HP's Slate


Lenovo

[brambos]

Observation #1: to some people making music is about work and being productive. To others it is a fun hobby.

Observation #2: To the first group, "Toys" are a bad thing, to the second group "Toys" are the tools that make the whole thing enjoyable.

Observation #3: The first group doesn't seem/want to understand the second at all.

Observation #4: A third group just seem to have an irrational hatred towards anything made by Apple.

[tomg]

Observation #1: to some people making music is about work and being productive. To others it is a fun hobby.

Observation #2: To the first group, "Toys" are a bad thing, to the second group "Toys" are the tools that make the whole thing enjoyable.

Observation #3: The first group doesn't seem/want to understand the second at all.

Observation #4: A third group just seem to have an irrational hatred towards anything made by Apple.

#1 Music is fun regardless
#2 Everyone like toys
#3 It's the same group 89% PC, 10% Apple, 1% Linux.
#4 I will never forgive Apple (Jobs) for what they did with Logic.... Ever!

#5 The iPad is not going to be much of a music production powerhouse no matter which way you want to look at it. Toy is appropriate.

#6 If Apple had release a serious kick ass machine I'd say so. They didn't.

#7 The iPad is blind to 75% percent of all web video out of the box. If I was Adobe after the way Jobs ran his mouth I might consider dumping the 10% of my business I do for Apple.

If it wasn't for Adobe Pagemaker and Illustrator the Apple Mac would be a nerd trivia question.

[ericj23]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-s ... r-battery/

hp tablet - $50 more than ipad - with twice the storage, proper usb, hdmi, front and rear camera etc - modem a bit more
only 5 hours battery though and no n wireless connection

But running windows 7 means there is more than one or two apps for that

[brambos]

But running windows 7 means there is more than one or two apps for that

Running windows 7 on a touch based PC means the user experience is going to suck compared to the iPad's. It's as simple as that. It's a desktop OS (i.e. it has mouse and keyboard control in all its genes), not an OS with a UI designed from the ground up around the multitouch paradigm.

But everybody should buy what suits their desires.

[tomg]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-s ... r-battery/

hp tablet - $50 more than ipad - with twice the storage, proper usb, hdmi, front and rear camera etc - modem a bit more
only 5 hours battery though and no n wireless connection

But running windows 7 means there is more than one or two apps for that

You can keep a spare and change that battery when it needs it. When the battery dies you can replace it all by yourself without having to send it to Apple.