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AdInfinitum · Post by **AdInfinitum** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:46 am

First off, I would not charge him for my advice. Second, legal advice is confidential (attorney-client privilege)l, so I'm not going to post it here or anywhere.

There is a lot of misinformation being spewed, some correct conclusions supported by the wrong reasons and some correct reasons with wrong conclusions. I know that everyone's tryng to be helpful, but, you really have to careful giving legal advice to people when (1) you're not a licensed lawyer and (2) you are musicians who have a very long history of not understanding the laws that affect your profession and livelihood.

The Japanese trademark firm that handles my client's trademark applications in Japan works on Roland matters - I'm sure having that card in my deck could be helpful to Adam.

AdInfinitum

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:11 am

He's already said he's changing the GUI and name, so no point...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:11 am

AdInfinitum wrote:First off, I would not charge him for my advice. Second, legal advice is confidential (attorney-client privilege)l, so I'm not going to post it here or anywhere.

AdInfinitum

No offense meant, but the reason there is lots of misinformation being spoken (spewed sounds a bit derogatory) is because lawyers never just publicly post useful information so that people are informed. Until they do that, lawyers have no grounds to be exasperated that people try to inform and advise each other.

antto · Post by **antto** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:44 am

AdInfinitum: i'm interested to know because i'm in a very similar position to Adam .. working on a softsynth which looks like another of Roland's synths

risome · Post by **risome** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:05 am

AdmiralQuality wrote:
DrGonzo wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:If I were you I'd put this out exactly as-is, just change "Ronald" to something else.
Donald, then.
Poland!

That old gag we use to texta out the leg of the r on our synths to spell poland back in the bad old days, Nice one Admiral

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:15 am

Well i am from Poland and i want...

wait...

I just want to have this thread on "my posts" list

synaesthesia · Post by **synaesthesia** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:31 am

pdxindy wrote:
AdInfinitum wrote:First off, I would not charge him for my advice. Second, legal advice is confidential (attorney-client privilege)l, so I'm not going to post it here or anywhere.

AdInfinitum
No offense meant, but the reason there is lots of misinformation being spoken (spewed sounds a bit derogatory) is because lawyers never just publicly post useful information so that people are informed. Until they do that, lawyers have no grounds to be exasperated that people try to inform and advise each other.

It's not really up to lawyers to make sure that laws are understood, it's the people who pass those laws.

There are lots of places where you can find information on copyright law and, yes, some of it is very complex and difficult to understand sometimes... but there's a lot of advice been given in this thread which is basically "Here's what I think off the top of my head without bothering to look into it". And I think it's a bit irresponsible to give out such advice which could potentially land Adam Trance and others in trouble just because you want to have your say on a forum thread.

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:05 am

...which is what forums are for.... having your say, just like you did now. Enjoy.

synaesthesia · Post by **synaesthesia** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:40 am

GeorgeZ wrote:...which is what forums are for.... having your say, just like you did now. Enjoy.

I don't disagree George that everyone has a right to have their say, but you do have to be careful about giving advice to people. There's a big difference between debate (which is where everyone can get involved) and handing out legal advice (where you should only pipe up if you know what you're saying is true).

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:41 am

risome wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:
DrGonzo wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:If I were you I'd put this out exactly as-is, just change "Ronald" to something else.
Donald, then.
Poland!
That old gag we use to texta out the leg of the r on our synths to spell poland back in the bad old days, Nice one Admiral

Me too! I did that to my Saturn 09!

Neither Poland nor Roland sued me for it.

risome · Post by **risome** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:54 am

Yeah we had a Poland 106 that served us well for many a gig along with our Poland 909
mmh poland

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:00 am

I find it pretty generous of AdInfinitum to offer professional advice for free to Adam.

Some of the advice in this thread indeed looks rather scary to me, as it's completely contradicting to my own lawyer's advice, as far as I understand it.

Also, in some countries a lawyer will charge a considerable amount of money for a cease & desist letter, so it's not to be taken lightheartedly.

Urs

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:27 pm

Well this topic getting really big

About all the gui talk - this is really lol!

There are so many guys out, which copied the virus gui 1:1 and use also the same font's for here synth-logo etc, or other called here plugin benassi vst and fish users with illegal usage of an artist name etc - but this what Adam did is absolutly ok, and why?

He build a great emulation of the JP, which sounds very good and looks also good, and HELLO it's a JP-emu - so it must looks like the JP!

So if he didn't copied it 1:1 via photo/screenshot work it's absolutly ok!
And at the end counts only how it sounds and how good it's to use/user friendly etc...

So why you are not happy that Adam build there somethign really nice, which comes perhaps as freeware? ....
Sometimes topics on KVR getting really strange twist and content-changes

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:44 pm

If I've missed someone staying this earlier, forgive me, but why not do the most obvious thing; ask Roland directly if they care or not? If they say yes, they care, then ask them what they would want you to change so that they don't care. Give it a shot. Much easier than speculating all day long, or dealing with lawyers.

Devon

LXNDR1 · Post by **LXNDR1** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:19 pm

DevonB wrote:If I've missed someone staying this earlier, forgive me, but why not do the most obvious thing; ask Roland directly if they care or not? If they say yes, they care, then ask them what they would want you to change so that they don't care. Give it a shot. Much easier than speculating all day long, or dealing with lawyers.

Devon

well, maybe even ask for a grant, who knows?

i like proverbs, so the one that's appropriate here is 'don't ask don't tell' and again 'don't take treatment before the headache' and don't capitulate ahead of war

it's some KVRians who care too much about this project, not Roland

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