KVR Audio

captain caveman · Post by **captain caveman** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:15 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:
liquidsound wrote:
hibidy wrote:Wow, you're ruining your own thread
just picking up the pieces...
Maybe I'm wrong but 50/50 of the mood here, Reaper with his $60 has not made an impact as it should. Its amazing features at that price should have seriously bite off a huge chunk of business from the big players, as the Hate/Love Reason has done.
So, for that matter Reaper has to live with a future limited by the very strategy they are using to enter the arena... Price Cap.
It has nothing to do with a "Price Cap".

The amazingly bad interface made it's amazing price/performance advantage a non-starter. It's pretty much that simple. There are quite a few Reaper users, but it is still a very minority program. The converts all scream about how Reaper gets a bum rap about the interface. Well, if you ask almost anyone who decides NOT to use it after trying it, it has almost nothing to do with the capabilities. It ALWAYS has to do with how cumbersome it is and how f**king stupid the set of toggles you have to switch to get it to do any one thing is.

As I've stated a few times. If Reaper were free, I'd continue to pay the going rate for Cubase.

In your opinion of course. I was not aware of this toggle maelstrom you find yourself in until you posted it. That's more of personal/minority thing than a ROTW thing.

In my opinion, the Reaper interface is easy to use. With a full-screen mode... and docks... and everything. Using Cubase after Reaper makes the 20 - 40% screen estate dedicated to windows title bars seem "amazingly bad" design by the borg after all this time (not using Cubase).

Of course I could rephrase that as "everybody who decides NOT to use Cubase after trying it is ALWAYS because of the cumbersome window system" but it wouldn't be true.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:19 am

captain caveman wrote:20 - 40%

Greatest thread in internet history! (though I took you out of context, sorry bout that)

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:26 am

hibidy wrote:GOD D....IT.............soab!

I am FAIL

Would people PLEASE stop quoting things I just edited or posting before I can get done..........thanks!

Sorry man! I am at work and I type when I can during a quick brake.

C-note · Post by **C-note** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:36 am

Reaper is not worth the $60 I paid for it or $225 considering the workflow, midi and interface it currently has...

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:45 am

captain caveman wrote: In my opinion, the Reaper interface is easy to use. With a full-screen mode... and docks... and everything. Using Cubase after Reaper makes the 20 - 40% screen estate dedicated to windows title bars seem "amazingly bad" design by the borg after all this time (not using Cubase).

Of course I could rephrase that as "everybody who decides NOT to use Cubase after trying it is ALWAYS because of the cumbersome window system" but it wouldn't be true.

My experience, too ... once I learned how to use it. There's a difference between easy to use and easy to learn to use.

But, I love Cubase, hope the lousy non-docking windows scheme will someday be updated ... worth a thread a week on the Cubase forums ... and despair that I will ever see the incredible routing schemes in Cubase that Reaper has.

Oh, well ... I've figured out how to route to Quadro busses for my sidechaining by now, anyway.

Como

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:48 am

liquidsound wrote:
hibidy wrote:GOD D....IT.............soab!

I am FAIL

Would people PLEASE stop quoting things I just edited or posting before I can get done..........thanks!

Sorry man! I am at work and I type when I can during a quick brake.

It's just a joke man!

Hibidy is the least understood jokester on KVR (or just the worst at it

)

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:21 am

hibidy wrote:
liquidsound wrote:
hibidy wrote:GOD D....IT.............soab!

I am FAIL

Would people PLEASE stop quoting things I just edited or posting before I can get done..........thanks!

Sorry man! I am at work and I type when I can during a quick brake.
It's just a joke man!

Hibidy is the least understood jokester on KVR (or just the worst at it )

At least you got a cool username

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:33 am

Not as good as yours!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:46 am

I'll tell you what, it's stupid little small things that get me excited. This thread has taught me things, AND has got me out of my "same ol' rut" funk. So thanks!

Astromann · Post by **Astromann** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:29 am

SJ_Digriz wrote: The amazingly bad interface made it's amazing price/performance advantage a non-starter. It's pretty much that simple. There are quite a few Reaper users, but it is still a very minority program. The converts all scream about how Reaper gets a bum rap about the interface. Well, if you ask almost anyone who decides NOT to use it after trying it, it has almost nothing to do with the capabilities. It ALWAYS has to do with how cumbersome it is and how f**king stupid the set of toggles you have to switch to get it to do any one thing is.

As I've stated a few times. If Reaper were free, I'd continue to pay the going rate for Cubase.

God Speaks!!
Everyone should listen, this opinion is absolute, and he is all knowing.
I am sure he knows all that needs to be known about Reaper...
Sooo bow your heads you minority fools, this man is speaking from the lofty heights and knows a greater reality and is part of a much larger team!! ...eeerr Cubase.

Astromann · Post by **Astromann** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:38 am

SJ_Digriz wrote: It ALWAYS has to do with how cumbersome it is and how f**king stupid the set of toggles you have to switch to get it to do any one thing is.

Honestly...a fool is known when he opens his mouth!!
You can define ANY toggle to do ANY one thing, the very fact that you say "how stupid the set of Toggles you have to switch to do any one thing"
means you know Zero about the interface, in fact the opposite is true, you can create custom actions that will do 10 or even more functions with "ONE CLICK" actions that you cannot do even in Logic...without several clicks.
Your whole statement has an air of self importance and arrogance, and you are stating your misguided opinion like its "THE LAW"
Whereas is a load of uninformed garbage.

SJ_Digriz wrote: As I've stated a few times. If Reaper were free, I'd continue to pay the going rate for Cubase.

Thats your right, some of my closest friends and fellow musicians use Cubase and love it...some hate it!!
My beef is the reverse FanBoi s#@#t and making ignorant statements like its the law...about something you obviously know nothing at all about!!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:47 am

It's very important to attach "ownership" to the current product being used as "the best" and to defend it till DEATH! or at least until you find something you like more

Of course I'd NEVER do that

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:57 am

hibidy wrote:I'll tell you what, it's stupid little small things that get me excited. This thread has taught me things, AND has got me out of my "same ol' rut" funk. So thanks!

I learned as well. But most of all I'm grateful I got into Live . I'm going to give a real test drive to Reaper just to know at least what I'm avoiding after some attempts in v3. My main game is Sessions in Live which no even the Great Reaper can , but I took a look at that book Mixing Prime in Reaper (something on those lines) and I think there is something good for me, so I will follow along with a Reaper demo. Again I would no spend more than the asking price for the simple reason that Live serves most of my needs, but a then again, no DAW is ever perfect. I still believe that if Reaper was priced at much higher price, as the others, all this passion about it would be less intense and similar to the one felt among users of the other industry standards DAWs.

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:57 am

jancivil wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:As for Cubase I don't know enough about it but ... I'm pretty sure the interface is quite messy with lots of windows

I wonder how many computer programs have features that you can access without having to see any window at all?

Sorry, no offense but that's some serious fanboi shit right there.

Really? Can Cubase have all vst windows in one FX window and switching through the various GUIs all in one window? This would mean that it's not necessary to have dozens of windows open or that you have to close them all the time.
Years ago that was the way Cubase worked: Tons of windows open that I always had to jog through or have to close them. Did that change?

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:59 am

Bronto Scorpio wrote:I guess that's one of Reapers biggest strenghts since it is highly customizable

Oh yes. Right out of the box Reaper is shit to me. I customized it strongly to adapt it to my workflow. Even right at the beginning I changed quite some things that I was used to from 10 years of using Steinie DAWs.

Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs ?