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cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:14 pm

_leras wrote: ONE HUGE THING MISSING
I know this is a Drum SYNTH, but I really think they need to include a SAMPLE MODULE.

Personally, I like the idea of a dedicated drum synth. The market is already saturated with drum samplers, not to mention that many people just put use samples directly in their DAW with FX. My plan from the beginning was to run this alongside or within (i.e., Maschine) my various drum samplers. Yeah, that means multiple plugins, so for that reason, I'd rather see FXpansion look for ways to optimize it to reduce the CPU hit, rather than bloat it with a sample module. But, I see your point.

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:17 pm

_leras wrote: ONE HUGE THING MISSING
I know this is a Drum SYNTH, but I really think they need to include a SAMPLE MODULE. It's easy to do and only needs very basic controls like pitch, attack, decay, release etc. Many 'analog' drum machines basically use samples for HH and CYM anyway... I honestly can't see any reason why fxpansion wouldn't want to add this, it would then make this a complete all round drum tool. As it stands I picture myself always having to use something else (battery most likely) at the same time, where it would be great to be able to sequence everything in one. I think I could make tracks with this if it also contained sample modules.

I tend to agree here. Even though the architecture of Tempest is very different it includes 2 sample based oscillators as well as 2 DCO's for each voice, and for very good reason I believe. I love hybrid drum sounds where i.e. the attack portion might be sample based and the body and decay are synthesised. I'd see this very much as a future feature request though, as the current engine has a huge amount of potential as it stands and if Angus's comments turn into reality the future will see some form of linking between the Geist & Tremor engines which just might provide this type of hybrid sound generation capability. Here's hoping anyway!

JM
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Rajah · Post by **Rajah** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:44 pm

metrosonic wrote:
Ditto. I didn't think I'd have any interest in the sequencer functionality but the ability to easily set up constantly evolving polyrhythms with such ease is a real winner. Can't believe nobody else thought of this before!

JM
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Simply Effective.... or Effectively Simple.. The SS is revolutionary..

Hats off to the chef..

softska · Post by **softska** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:49 pm

Rajah wrote:
metrosonic wrote:
Ditto. I didn't think I'd have any interest in the sequencer functionality but the ability to easily set up constantly evolving polyrhythms with such ease is a real winner. Can't believe nobody else thought of this before!

JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

Simply Effective.... or Effectively Simple.. The SS is revolutionary..

Hats off to the chef..

For the record, Nerve has it and it was a real treat to jam with.

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:00 am

softska wrote: For the record, Nerve has it and it was a real treat to jam with.

I always avoided Nerve because of the Deadmau5 connection (I know my inverse snobbery is no excuse) but the more I hear the more I fee the need to check this little beast out! After all Steve Duda did design Guru/Devine-Machine & BFD...

JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

SKoT_FX · Post by **SKoT_FX** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:07 am

Just repeating Angus's challenge - post examples of what you're after / think is missing from the presets so we have a better chance to respond with examples.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:17 am

Angus_FX wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the presets - instead of just talking about it, post some audio examples what, in your opinion, it ought to sound like. Preferably your own work, & preferably DRY, but doesn't have to be either.

Talk is cheap, give us some actual audio.

@metrosonic to be fair - they did. We considered it for Geist but ruled it out as too geeky/leftfield for v1.0; Steve Duda has something similar in Nerve IIRC.

I think good old fashioned analog drums would be a nice place to start. Maybe not total replicas of x0x boxes but in that range.

http://vimeo.com/1122198?pg=embed&sec=1122198\

and stuff that goes a bit further, but still has that punchy phat analog type sound.

and software that I think gets it correct:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/products/s ... -audio.php (you've got to go down to the audio demos)

http://soniccharge.com/microtonic (you've got to go down to the audio demos)

http://www.image-line.com/documents/drumaxx.html

I'm not exactly saying "make them like that" (I already have the software) but use the complexity and flexibility of Tremor's engine to generate that rounder type of sound.

Not that what you have isn't good... it just seems to be all leaning toward a sound... dirty and compressed. Let those filters breathe a little! It's the same issue with DCAM. Sounds can be kind of "stiff" until you back off that filter. I think you'd be better served by having ...dare I say... more "phatter" sounding drums in there amount the harsh stuff.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:42 am

This plugin is very good!

It sounds f**king fantastic, it's a cinch to use and it's innovative in workflow. Talk about rapid production, wow.

This will do me forever and a day for drum synths.

Tremor is the one to beat now, IMO.

Here was the test for me; installed the demo, got the hang of the UI in 5 minutes, now I've got something so inspiring I've bounced the audio so I wont lose it! That right there is farther than I get with 90% of the demos I try.

Two suggestions: could use some context menu right click loving on some stuff. Particularly right clicking on the sequencer lanes I expected to see something like "clear" or "randomize" for that lane only. The second suggestion is a key modifier when penciling notes and dragging up/down, often I'll go to the right or left when I drag and it adds another note. In the drag/up down mode it might be cool to have a keyboard modifier to prevent us from adding new notes, like maybe ALT or something?

Regardless, TREMOR is wonderful. It's got big meats.

I dunno what the whingers are on about, to me it's got more moxy than any other drum synth i've tried.

I'm in for this on Friday, no f**king brainer!

Well done fxPansion.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:46 am

OK one more FR: can you add copy/paste with the graphs just as you've done with patterns?

This will be key to getting a evolution going for A/B tests on graph automations.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:01 am

OK last FR: It would be super tits if you could right click on the pattern end markers and randomize them to experiment with finding different hidden combinations of notes. Turbo tits 9000 would be if you could randomize all or one at a time.

Might not be able to wait until Friday

Love the MUTE|SOLO implementation on the individual pattern lanes per pattern!

BRILLIANT!

knobs · Post by **knobs** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:23 am

munchkin wrote:
What are you one about? Where did I criticise the sale price or the new drum machine? You're either hallucinating or watching too much Teletubbies. Groove Machine is better than Geist and the fact that you're so defensive about it just confirms it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

It right there in your post you idiot. I even quoted it for you. No wonder you
cant make a coherent point. You have no reading comprehension to begin with.

whitecloud · Post by **whitecloud** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:29 am

rexlapin wrote:Really digging the ability to set the loop length
independently for each engine!

I as well indeed. I have EZ player Pro driving Steven Slate Drums and need to work more on the arrangement window
instead of dragging and dropping from the groove section and piece meal it all together. you can do some similar stuff with each track in the arrange section setting separate loop points and kit pieces on different tracks. This of course is for my "natural" sounding drums.
Having fun with Tremor's seq.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:34 am

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whitecloud · Post by **whitecloud** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:44 am

zerocrossing wrote:
musikmachine wrote:
whitecloud wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:I went through a whole bunch of presets last night, hoping to pick up some tricks, alas no lol

I also thought the majority of the sounds were distorted. I tried turning down the mater out, turne dof pre and post stages but it was still there.
It would be great to have some 'rounder' sounds and I cent believe there isnt a 909 kit in there somewhere!!

Main gripe - factory patterns are really crap!
Who uses factory patterns anyway?
Lazy musos.
I do (though I actually like the oddball stuff in Tremor) from time to time. I'm a guitar player/synth guy and often I just want to invite a drummer over for some "jams" so a good pattern lib can be very useful to get to making music instead of programming composing beats.

You have a valid point now that I think about it. I am a guitar player as well
and just love messing with synths . If you get to know the seq, I feel you will be able to create more traditional beats in no time. I feel a little guilty
as I now have Geist and am not too overly concerned that Tremors sounds and beats
aren't as traditional as some might like. I think they will play together fine, and I will start trying to combine the two in some way here pretty soon. I have a lot on my plate learning curve wise. Recently bought an Akai Miniak, got a new computer and jumped form XP 32bit. Cubase 5 Essentials 32 bit my Daw the past couple of years, Now I have Win 7 64 bit and have been demoing Cubase 6 64 bit and Reaper 64 and not sure if I'll upgrade my Cubase. 32bit bridging issues, then last December Demoed Geist and DCAM and bought them both. Soon after receiving the boxed versions, here comes this Demo of Tremor and with a tempting offer for registered customers until next month. I've turned my attention to Tremor as i would like to decide to buy before 2-9-2012

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:13 am

I spent some time with Tremor tonight, along with the uTonic demo and Drumaxx. In my opinion:

- Tremor has far and away the best interface and sequencer.
- I liked the Drumaxx sound the least, which really surprised me because the sound demos for it are quite appealing, but in practice it sounded weak and uninspiring. The interface also didn't respond well.
- uTonic is a little beast - limited and thus, very simple to figure out and use...but maybe too limited. Everything starts sounding a little similar. It is a nice sound at first for sure...but then you realize the shortcomings.
- Agreeing with what has already been mentioned, Tremor really needs the MIDI drag-n-drop

- Tremor really takes up a lot of CPU in comparison to the others

I actually kind of liked that Tremor has a different sound - it can augment a drum sampler then. However, I loaded up Geist and felt much more inspired working with my sample library (and worked much quicker). So, it may be that I just don't particularly find drum synthesis all that inspiring. The Tempest videos really make my mouth water though - and it has the whole performance aspect integrated into it (even though I'd just use it in the studio, live performance while recording a track is appealing). The Tempest sounds also inspire me...really need to try one out.

Great price for Tremor right now as a Geist owner, but I'm just not sure why I'd use it over samples right now. I like that it does unique sounds, but so do many regular synths (along with 100s of sample packs)...and they don't need that much CPU.

Just my 2 cents.

Fxpansion have a NEW drum synth on the way!