Digital Performer 8 Goes Windows!

[newrigel]

Aren't you all using Logic/Reaper/Reason/Live/Cubase/S1 and Samplitude and absolutely loving it?

Ummmm, NO!
Not saying they are BAD, just wondering why you're saying DP is.

[kgdrum]

HArley! or should I say New Rigel or Macguy or DP4L?...........it never ends lol
Nice to see you found a new place to hang

glad you can roll your own

Cheers!

[fmr]

lol lol lol
I don't want to start a flame war but the posters here that are speculating this is all a hoax, is some of the most hilarious lines of B.S. I've ever seen! lol lol lol
Please keep it going, we need more trollish baseless entertainment , there's not enough of it on the internet!!! lol lol lol
While you're at it,can you guys also teach us about the man landing on the moon hoax ? lol lol lol

I see your over here starting shit... some think that this is due to Apple discontinuing the Mac Pros. Sorry, but I'd build a Hackintosh LONG before I'd use windows for anything. Hope MOTU keeps on supporting the platform who got them to the place their at today. Doesn't matter, I can make KILLER music with DP7, no need for 8.

Dude, nobody here said or imply MOTU was going to abandon Mac OS. We were (at least I was) questioning ourselves about why did MOTU make such a move NOW, after so much time being faithful to Mac OS.

And, since there's always a reason to do things, and companies are not ruled by passion, rather by rational and deeply thought decisions (at least I want to think so), we were speculatin whether this could have something to do with the APPARENT disinterest demonstrated by Apple on their most professional products. If you disagree with something, feel free to do so, and to say so.

I am a Mac user myself, and I started on Mac with an SE 30, so, many of the guys here weren't probably even born yet when I started. I have nothing against the platform (although I cannot say the same about the company and those that having been ruling it, but that's another story). I also KNOW (as I am also a Windows user since the time of Windows 3.1) that Windows is not the doom you seem to think it is.
People tend to become passionate regarding their platform of choise. But I saw that too regarding guitars, synths, soocer teams. Perhaps we need that to compensate our day by day lives. But have you thought for a second that a Hackintosh depends, firstm on Apple continuing to release updates for their OS, second on hackers that crack it, and third, it is NOT a fully and officialy supported Macintosh (let aside that's illegal)?

Back to DP 8. Now we have the fact, and know some details. One of them - as happened to Logic Pro, they seem to point all their new stuff to guitarists. Are there so many guitarists looking to jump into the DAW world nowadays? Or is it because nowadays keyboardists and synth players are vanished? I find it kind of strange this obsessioin about guitars and guitar amps, and guitar effects, since the paradigm of this software is, after all, the recording studio, but perhaps they think that users that want vintage studio stuff already bought the packages available from third parties. Comments?

[newrigel]

Dude, nobody here said or imply MOTU was going to abandon Mac OS. We were (at least I was) questioning ourselves about why did MOTU make such a move NOW, after so much time being faithful to Mac OS.

INTEL, that's why.
They've been working on this for years...
If I buy a Snow Leopard instal disk, I have the permission to instal it on whatever I want but It's cool to instal windows on a Mac right?.
But really, the price of tape machines and consoles have dropped considerably and really, I'd just go that route than use windows for music... no, they are NOT the same. Oh, and by the way, I was doing this long before Jobs came out with squat so... no windows here. Nothing to argue about just don't do it.

[headquest]

Aren't you all using Logic/Reaper/Reason/Live/Cubase/S1 and Samplitude and absolutely loving it?

Amusing but not so logical

Windows users like their options, and DP seems to present something a bit different to the many existing offerings on Windows. In the same way, if/when FL Studio makes it to the Mac platform there will be a lot of interest, but this doesn't necessarily mean Mac years don't like Garageband/Logic/etc.

[headquest]

But really, the price of tape machines and consoles have dropped considerably and really, I'd just go that route than use windows for music... no, they are NOT the same. Oh, and by the way, I was doing this long before Jobs came out with squat so... no windows here. Nothing to argue about just don't do it.

Go for it! Yay, analogx

DP on Windows is an interesting proposition in its own right (for us Windows musicians) but the more interesting point about this change of direction is the fact that MOTU - previously some of the biggest Apple fanboys around, constantly saying it is the best platform for music recording - have changed their mind.

MOTU are not a company to put out sub-standard products, and have a big reputation at the top of the business. So I very much doubt that they will not put out a Windows version that is bellow par compared to the Mac version. But they have apparently made a decision that Windows is at least equal (if not better) as an ongoing platform for their top end professional recording products.

Companies like Adobe, Image Line, Cakewalk and Magiz may well be wondering whether MOTU know/forsee something they have missed, as they spend thousands of man-hours porting their Windows-only products to the Mac. After all, MOTU have been dealing directly with Apple over audio matters for many years

[christianmusicmaker]

Companies like Adobe, Image Line, Cakewalk and Magiz may well be wondering whether MOTU know/forsee something they have missed, as they spend thousands of man-hours porting their Windows-only products to the Mac. After all, MOTU have been dealing directly with Apple over audio matters for many years

Maybe they do see something other devs are not seeing yet.

It does indeed appear that MOTU are heading in the other direction (Windows) to widen their target market out of necessity while some devs as you mentioned are heading the other way and might be getting in on MAC at the tail end / dip in it's commercial viability for hosts competing with Apple / Logic.

Not sure what Apple will do in future but cheaper Music software, pricing out other devs seems to be the future. Could well be that MOTU see Windows as their safety net as it already appears to be fighting a losing battle against what is essentially a hardware company (with a far bigger budget for dev compared to MOTU) pricing them out of the MAC host market or not being far off it.

I would say Apple are more likely to drop prices further in future. Not much of a future for other devs trying to compete with that on MAC.

Maybe in 5 years (or much less) MAC development for DAW's might be much less of a priority than it is now.

[fmr]

Companies like Adobe, Image Line, Cakewalk and Magiz may well be wondering whether MOTU know/forsee something they have missed, as they spend thousands of man-hours porting their Windows-only products to the Mac. After all, MOTU have been dealing directly with Apple over audio matters for many years

Maybe they do see something other devs are not seeing yet.

It does indeed appear that MOTU are heading in the other direction (Windows) to widen their target market out of necessity while some devs as you mentioned are heading the other way and might be getting in on MAC at the tail end / dip in it's commercial viability for hosts competing with Apple / Logic.

Not sure what Apple will do in future but cheaper Music software, pricing out other devs seems to be the future. Could well be that MOTU see Windows as their safety net as it already appears to be fighting a losing battle against what is essentially a hardware company (with a far bigger budget for dev compared to MOTU) pricing them out of the MAC host market or not being far off it.

I would say Apple are more likely to drop prices further in future. Not much of a future for other devs trying to compete with that on MAC.

Maybe in 5 years (or much less) MAC development for DAW's might be much less of a priority than it is now.

Again, you said it more eloquently than I could. We should not forget that MOTU took a very important part in the development of Core Audio and Core MIDI, and they have more insight about what's going on inside Apple than the vast majority.
Anyway, Mac's are great Windows computers (although way overpriced), therefore, we can't loose, and since the package comes with both versions, we, hybrids, could even run it on both platforms, and migrate all our projects slowly and carefully.
They clearly stated on the end of the video, that it was a soundtrack project created in DP7 on a Mac, that they migrated to DP8 in Windows.
And since there are almost no AU plug-ins that don't have a VST counterpart in Windows, everybody is basically safe and assured, because Windows machines will be around for many, many years - this platform is not a monopoly.
BTW - If they don't put any kind of OS detector as Avid did,.I bet we can even run it in Windows XP.

[koolkeys]

Still glad to see DP coming to PC. Considering how many PC users there are and how well Windows 7 handles audio and how almost all other audio production apps are on PC, it makes sense. Logic won't go back to PC, but they are a little biased, lol. But it makes sense for other hosts to come to PC. It's a great audio environment, and I welcome DP to it!

(and whoever said they are not the same is smoking something, both are as capable as the other of doing everything they do)

Brent

[LawrenceF]

Haha... Mac vs. PC.

You shoulda heard Teddy Riley at NAMM saying that Macs are better but he doesn't use them because he can't run Imageline Grossbeat.

Ye ole OS wars.

He said a few "questionable" things... but put on a great show.

[hibidy]

I'm a PC and I invented windows7

Back to DP and the presentation, they sure did focus on new toys there didn't they?

[christianmusicmaker]

They clearly stated on the end of the video, that it was a soundtrack project created in DP7 on a Mac, that they migrated to DP8 in Windows..

This was probably the most telling aspect of the video IMO. One wants to know how reliably the projects created in a MAC work in the Windows version. Seems like they got that sorted.

Back to DP and the presentation, they sure did focus on new toys there didn't they?

Yes they did. I love the look and feel of that Dynamic EQ. Similar to Gliss EQ in functionality but with a different UI and Workflow. Super Slick.

[newrigel]

HArley! or should I say New Rigel or Macguy or DP4L?...........it never ends lol
Nice to see you found a new place to hang

glad you can roll your own

Cheers!

Or should I say... "Dickhead" sorry, your real name just slipped out... sorry about that.

[newrigel]

But really, the price of tape machines and consoles have dropped considerably and really, I'd just go that route than use windows for music... no, they are NOT the same. Oh, and by the way, I was doing this long before Jobs came out with squat so... no windows here. Nothing to argue about just don't do it.

Go for it! Yay, analogx

DP on Windows is an interesting proposition in its own right (for us Windows musicians) but the more interesting point about this change of direction is the fact that MOTU - previously some of the biggest Apple fanboys around, constantly saying it is the best platform for music recording - have changed their mind.

MOTU are not a company to put out sub-standard products, and have a big reputation at the top of the business. So I very much doubt that they will not put out a Windows version that is bellow par compared to the Mac version. But they have apparently made a decision that Windows is at least equal (if not better) as an ongoing platform for their top end professional recording products.

Companies like Adobe, Image Line, Cakewalk and Magiz may well be wondering whether MOTU know/forsee something they have missed, as they spend thousands of man-hours porting their Windows-only products to the Mac. After all, MOTU have been dealing directly with Apple over audio matters for many years

I'm very happy for you, I'd build a hack if apple died today and still make killer music. No need to get on your little soap box he he... just all these NEW minds coming in and f**king everything up... believe me, I'll be dead and gone while people are suffering hehe...

[machinesworking]

DP on Windows is an interesting proposition in its own right (for us Windows musicians) but the more interesting point about this change of direction is the fact that MOTU - previously some of the biggest Apple fanboys around, constantly saying it is the best platform for music recording - have changed their mind.

MOTU are not a company to put out sub-standard products, and have a big reputation at the top of the business. So I very much doubt that they will not put out a Windows version that is bellow par compared to the Mac version. But they have apparently made a decision that Windows is at least equal (if not better) as an ongoing platform for their top end professional recording products.

Companies like Adobe, Image Line, Cakewalk and Magiz may well be wondering whether MOTU know/forsee something they have missed, as they spend thousands of man-hours porting their Windows-only products to the Mac. After all, MOTU have been dealing directly with Apple over audio matters for many years

Lol, you sure like to add your own spin to your history lessons!

FYI Adobe mostly hasn't ported to Mac as much as always had Mac versions, in some case porting to Windows.... Another tidbit years ago sitting down with a chief developer of Ableton around the time Live 4 came out, and talking later to NI guys it was universal among cross platform developers that it was a 50/50 market. This was right when AU had finally started working so now that Apple are doing so dammed well, I doubt that it's tipped in favor of PC any more than then. MOTU realized that they could double their market and with Intel chips it wasn't a huge project that wouldn't pay off. I really wouldn't read any more into it than that.
People really need to be less emotionally attached to their platform choice, but it seems it's on a dna level.