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MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Wed May 09, 2012 4:23 am

I've passed, as well, for the reason you cite. A shame, indeed.

dimitar · Post by **dimitar** » Wed May 09, 2012 4:35 am

Sorry not high gain rhythm sound, but solo sound with Amplitube Marshall amp.

It works fine for me

Amp sims require different approach, they are not real amps.
Use your ears and enjoy playing with them

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed May 09, 2012 4:43 am

(cabin "ding")

"ladies and gentlemen, we have a Dimi sighting......."

heffus · Post by **heffus** » Wed May 09, 2012 4:46 am

Hink wrote:what did the alien say to the gasoline pump?

Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to me

I feel you.

Kontrast13 · Post by **Kontrast13** » Wed May 09, 2012 4:51 am

Going back to the topic about high gain...

At first anything high gain sounded terrible to me. Afterwards I started to close my eyes when I adjusted mic placement and then took note of where it was when I found a spot I liked. After doing that for a few days, I can zero in pretty quickly... sometimes I even use the A3 cab section with other amp sims, now that I have a strong feel for using it, haha~

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed May 09, 2012 5:11 am

dimitar wrote:Sorry not high gain rhythm sound, but solo sound with Amplitube Marshall amp.

It works fine for me
Amp sims require different approach, they are not real amps.
Use your ears and enjoy playing with them

Ah, this is a good example because you're using a lot of effects including a wah pedal, which can mask that sort of deadish kind of sound. Also, I don't know what amp you're using but the S100 was the one I was talking about. I just did an experiment of my own and you can get a pretty good sound but it needs to be fairly drenched in effects.

dimitar · Post by **dimitar** » Wed May 09, 2012 5:15 am

yeah you can hear a lot of aliasing in high gain and especially on the high notes, but that's the nature of the ampsims for now

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed May 09, 2012 5:21 am

dimitar wrote:yeah you can hear a lot of aliasing in high gain and especially on the high notes, but that's the nature of the ampsims for now

I wish I could hear aliasing.

dimitar · Post by **dimitar** » Wed May 09, 2012 5:23 am

hibidy wrote:
dimitar wrote:yeah you can hear a lot of aliasing in high gain and especially on the high notes, but that's the nature of the ampsims for now
I wish I could hear aliasing.

You can't hear those whining noises in the background ?

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hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed May 09, 2012 5:32 am

See, not only can't I hear all this "alisaing" everyone is talking about, I can't even understand the jokes about it

It's good to see more viddy's from you though, WANT that guitar

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed May 09, 2012 5:47 am

This is a repost from my edited main posts....

OK, I'm re-doing this post because I did some experimenting and found some stuff out. I resolved the ugly crackly high end by replacing a cable that had gone south. I didn't think this could be an issue, because it wasn't evident in all of the models, but it seems that some models just seem better at showing it off.

So, a big apology to that bit about the ugly fizziness in the highs.

But back to the S100... smoother now, but still crappy. Ugly high end! So I experimented as people suggested and tried impulses. I was lazy and just used ones that came with S-Gear (remember xgear?) and Speakerphone and I was able to get a much better tone!

But that got me to thinking... since I quite like a lot of the models in Amplitube... love some of them, what if I put a cab from a model I love on this dud of an amp? I threw on a 1x12 PPC 112 (Orange).

It sounded great!

So, from what I surmise is going on, it seems like the matched cab that comes with the S100 has his really bad sounding high end. I put it through a spectrum analyzer and it was clear that other cabs like the tiny terror cab also put out a lot of high frequency energy but it sounded a lot more natural. Maybe it's actually the way this Marshal cab sounds? Again, I was able to get it to sound very good at clean settings and even if I thew a fuzz or distortion like the Mudhoney on it. Maybe those are band limited in a way that mask what I'm talking about.

So, this is a work-around I can live with, but it does point to something that maybe pushing people away from Amplitube. I quickly passed through a bunch of the cabs and a few of them really do have this brittle high end symptom like the 4x4 metal F2. Some sound really good though.

In the end, I didn't actually find any benefit from using a pure impulse (though some I used sounded great) as opposed to using a good sounding Amplitube cab and the Amplitube cabs have the added advantage of letting you do cool things with mic placement and really nice room mic ambience.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed May 09, 2012 6:01 am

Might I take this time to mention recabinet 3.1

Seriously, it's just dreamy. Does it take work? Yes. But it "feels" better from the get go. Why am I bringing it up again? It's what zero said about the Sgear cabs. I DO think they are better overall. BUT, I think with recabinet you get that + 10. You can HP/LP right in the box, and there are useful eq's to "sweeten" things. Can you move the mics around and get that zipper sound (

) NO. So what?

The one thing that will be a welcome improvement with recabient will be stereo panning. But considering how 90% of how we record guitar are, it's not HUGE. Most people pan a guitar and use a second....third........etc. But it will still be a welcome addition.

It's too hard to keep posting examples and proving it...at 49 bucks (19 for the upgrade) it's worth putting up with the lame demo limitation and trying.

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Wed May 09, 2012 6:05 am

Room ambience can be easily added with a small sized reverb behind the convolver.

Brian @ IK Multimedia · Wed May 09, 2012 6:08 am

zerocrossing, those low-watt vintage Marshall cabs have a lot of character that may or may not sound right in a given situation. I find they can be particularly honky in some settings, and just killer in others.

When I use them, often it is in a dual cab configuration.
And as Kontrast13 has discovered, mic placement is everything in AmpliTube 3. Take some time with it, particularly while listening in the mix. The 3D mic field gives you the ability to get just the right natural tonal balance for any given situation. If the high-end is too harsh, for example, knock the mic off-axis a little (and trying a different mic sometimes doesn't hurt.) Don't settle for the mic defaults! There is a reason we give you so many choices and so much maneuverability.

BTW, Glad you sussed out that bad cable.

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Wed May 09, 2012 6:13 am

Amplitube will never sound as good for anything remotely high-gain as even this cheap mini solid state amp with a Line 6 Uber Metal pedal for the high-gain into a custom made 2x12" with celestion K100s in it, It is my collegue/close friend playing and in all honesty I play better than he does for metal style material, Even so its effortless whilst I would not even bother attempting the same sort of thing with amplitube or any other plug-in to be quite honest:

I'll do more demos with the sucker when I can and put them on the 'your next amp' thread along with clips of the £50 loadbox I recently got and it'll all be high-gain stuff

I have not tried all the available software but from which I have my honest opinion is - You really are doing yourself an injustice from even having a cheap-ass little solid-state amp, Fine layer the sims/models up with a real amp but using nothing but sims/models...Forget about it for modern high-gain down tuned metal

My £00.2p FWIW

Dean

Tough love for Amplitube... (and a partial apology)