KVR Audio

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:38 pm

I've been using it alongside Logic and Reaper and it has its pros and cons.

Pros:

I like it best for creating CDs and big projects with - excellent project management and mastering capabilities, even though Logic probably has the best plugins I go to S1 every time I want to master a project, it's just so easy to do and see where all your resources, even graphics and metatags, are.

The drag and drop capabilities are very well thought through - that being said there are some things I can't do yet with drag and drop like routing between tracks that I can do in Reaper

Automation - the pros are that it is more clip-like and links better to the track than in other linear hosts. Also the transform features are clever and useful.

I also love the fact that you don't have to tell it to record automation if you want to move a knob - once record is on you move any knob etc and it just gets recorded - why on earth other hosts don't do that I don't know (except Orion), I hate having to set up a track when I just want to play - it's the no.1 creativity killer.

Easy to learn - although I didn't find the others that hard either and nothing compares to Tracktion still.

Cons:

Routing - probably the biggest limitation for me - it's pretty basic right now, even on version 2. This makes it impossible to do more complex setups and bussing and makes it very problematic with those plugins that need to be recorded straight to audio (which tend to be things I use the most). There are a few workarounds but most rely on using third party plugins, most of which are Windows only. Logic and Reaper can both do this easily - in fact I worked out 4-5 different methods of doing this in Reaper, it's that configurable.

Automation - yes it has some pros but I hate that there are no proper curves, even drawing a sine breaks up into a gazillion tiny lines and nodes which is a pain to edit even with transform. This is where Reaper and Logic's bezier based curves win hands down. Also Reaper has a brilliant node reduction tool that makes it even easier to work with curves.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:51 pm

filter303 wrote:
samsam wrote:
lingyai wrote:Thanks both of hyou for taking the time to spell all those things out. I'm soooo undecided.....
IMO, long point-by-point comparisons are useful up to a point but don't really tell the full picture. I'm sure i could put together tunes in GarageBand if I had to but playing with it I never really clicked. For me it's much more how something feels than a comparison list.

S1 has a one-month demo, as do most DAWs, you try then out and the one that feels best is probably the one that's gonna help you to make the best music.
The reason why people make threads like this is because they are interested to hear other opinions.
Everyone knows that there is the demo available. If trying the demo solves everything, none of us don't need to be participating on any discussion here because there is product demos available of almost anything. I am so tired of all these "try the demo" replies.

My list was a description of what I like about S1 and what needs to be improved.
I had much thought about these things before I posted my opinion here, but I see now that I was really mistaken to believe that it could actually benefit someone who is interested in S1.

It's easy to talk about how something feels. But it's all useless if you can't even describe why you feel the way you do. There are so many posts in KVR that sound smart, but in reality are not telling us anything.

I can tell you exactly why people start threads like this because it was me that started it.

I started it to get others' opinions on Studio One, particularly from Mac users, to combine with my own demoing of it. And that's exactly what i got, it's been really useful. Even point by point comparisons. My post was to someone else in answer to his/her saying it's difficult to make a decision and my answer is a valid one - lists serve a purpose but you've gotta play with a tool over time to get the bottom of whether it works for you or not.

Quite why (judging by your snide response) you feel the need to defend your previous answer (which I'd already said serves a purpose) I have no idea.

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:17 pm

I agree that the specific answers -- in a list or whatever -- are very useful.

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:30 pm

Demoing never, ever tells a full story for DAW. Because you are not going to commit your full-blown project to your demo and you will not hit every one of your quirks in your workflow for your new shiny DAW.

There's gotta be someone who tells you things that you don't expect. This thread has been good, and something tells me I might try this now that it sounds like something I can demo.

By the way, what's the deal with Studio One Pro using 64 bit engine and Producer using 32 bit engine? Weird.

Edit: I have to say, after trying the demo out just to see usability so far, I've been very impressed. It's like finally some intuition thing has kicked into those 'linear' DAWs... PT Logic Cubase etc.

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:14 pm

schnapsglas wrote:Demoing never, ever tells a full story for DAW. Because you are not going to commit your full-blown project to your demo and you will not hit every one of your quirks in your workflow for your new shiny DAW.

There's gotta be someone who tells you things that you don't expect. This thread has been good, and something tells me I might try this now that it sounds like something I can demo.

By the way, what's the deal with Studio One Pro using 64 bit engine and Producer using 32 bit engine? Weird.

Edit: I have to say, after trying the demo out just to see usability so far, I've been very impressed. It's like finally some intuition thing has kicked into those 'linear' DAWs... PT Logic Cubase etc.

Please keep posting your impressions... by the way, what's your basic PC spec?

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:37 pm

lingyai wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:Demoing never, ever tells a full story for DAW. Because you are not going to commit your full-blown project to your demo and you will not hit every one of your quirks in your workflow for your new shiny DAW.

There's gotta be someone who tells you things that you don't expect. This thread has been good, and something tells me I might try this now that it sounds like something I can demo.

By the way, what's the deal with Studio One Pro using 64 bit engine and Producer using 32 bit engine? Weird.

Edit: I have to say, after trying the demo out just to see usability so far, I've been very impressed. It's like finally some intuition thing has kicked into those 'linear' DAWs... PT Logic Cubase etc.
Please keep posting your impressions... by the way, what's your basic PC spec?

I've recently upgraded to Ivy 3570k + 8GB ram with Win7 x64 -- but I do keep my computer squeaky clean. I don't think it's more demanding than say, Cubase.

And you know what? Educational license for Studio One Professional here is exactly the same price as Cubase Artist upgrade I got (on a promotion!) + a dongle. So you see, I'm getting quite tempted. Although that no VST bridge problem is like... inverse-Live situation we used to have.

MIDI controller mapping is well taken care of. I think with this it's mostly about limitations. I would love to have a score editor. And VST bridge, but what works tends to be really intuitive.

It's very close to what I wanted Reaper to be. I certainly need to research more features and read manual a bit to see how it handles more complex parts, but at this price it seems almost no-brainer, if you have access to academic licensing that is.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:36 pm

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filter303 · Post by **filter303** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:38 pm

@ samsam:

I think you are right with what you wrote. I have no need to be defensive and I hope you can accept my apologies for being so grumpy.

filter303 · Post by **filter303** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:40 pm

that's why i hate reaper, it is the gui that will always ruin it for me as i consider it non functional

How would you improve reaper's gui if you had the chance?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:44 pm

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taoyoyo · Post by **taoyoyo** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:49 pm

samsam wrote: I can tell you exactly why people start threads like this because it was me that started it.

I started it to get others' opinions on Studio One, particularly from Mac users, to combine with my own demoing of it. And that's exactly what i got, it's been really useful. Even point by point comparisons.

... from a Mac-centric perspective, and just based on my findings... CPU usage in S1 has been pretty good compared to Cubase, Reaper and Live. Have also noticed a further improvement when using the 64 bit version.

It's probably not quite as good as Logic but I'll take S1 over that for ease of use (even if it doesn't go as far out there as Logic).

Not sure if you needed any more comments, but I saw the 'Mac Users' bit in your post and thought it was worth mentioning.

Resonator63 · Post by **Resonator63** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:54 pm

taoyoyo wrote:
samsam wrote: I can tell you exactly why people start threads like this because it was me that started it.

I started it to get others' opinions on Studio One, particularly from Mac users, to combine with my own demoing of it. And that's exactly what i got, it's been really useful. Even point by point comparisons.
... from a Mac-centric perspective, and just based on my findings... CPU usage in S1 has been pretty good compared to Cubase, Reaper and Live. Have also noticed a further improvement when using the 64 bit version.

It's probably not quite as good as Logic but I'll take S1 over that for ease of use (even if it doesn't go as far out there as Logic).

Not sure if you needed any more comments, but I saw the 'Mac Users' bit in your post and thought it was worth mentioning.

Using S1 64bit on Windows 7 PC here and CPU usage is very reasonable.No crashes everything working sweetly.I'm only using 64bit plug-ins no bridging and all is just fine.

angelremington · Post by **angelremington** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:07 am

I've only bought mine (s1v2 professional) a week or so ago after suggestions and advice from some guys on this forum and trying the demo for couple of days, so far I love it, I have only used Reason (99%) for everything previously so i was looking for something that it'll make the transition easier.
So far I love it and everything is quick and easy, self explanatory and stable.
The only thing i find annoying and didn't know @ time of buying is not being able to run 32bit VST in it (i run 64bit), i only recently changed to 64bit just to be able to take advantage of my new upgraded PC and more RAM etc.
See i want to buy Nexus soon and that is only 32bit... but apart from that, i love everything else, in fact i am thinking, i should have done this long ago:)

I think that S1V2 is one of the very best DAW's out there, and being relatively new program, it'll only get better and more powerful with next releases

flugel45 · Post by **flugel45** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:35 am

angelremington,

Have you looked into jBridge?

angelremington · Post by **angelremington** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:45 am

flugel45 wrote:angelremington,

Have you looked into jBridge?

Hi, not yet but i've heard about it, I think I may have to as I really want to get Nexus and I do not want to switch my PC back to 32 bit or my DAW as it won't be taking advantage of the extra RAM, So far I've installed Sylenth1, NI Absynth 5, Alchemy Player etc and they are 64bit so all is cool

I'll be getting Massive next day or two so that is 64 bit as well... just the Nexus;) How much is that Jbridge thingy and does it have any unwanted side effects? to affect stability or reliability?

Thanks and regards,

Studio One 2 Pro - any thoughts?