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Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:45 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:So if this is "complimentary" to Aether does that mean Aether will also get some benefit from your experience making B2? It's just I thought Breeze was your eco reverb and Aether the ultimate HQ one. Now it turns out you have another and where does that leave Aether? I bought Aether to be the best, it was a big investment. It would have been great to see these sort of features in an Aether 2, not to see them appear in a new reverb and Aether left where....?
I'm a bit confused about that too. I bought Aether as the ultimate awesome do-anything reverb. Now this other ultimate awesome do-anything reverb is released and I guess I don't get all the technical bullets. I just came away only understanding that it's the biggest best reverb that can do crazy stuff, again. But maybe it's something you need to try out to understand? Is it like Aether is more suited to natural spaces emulation and this one is more suited to unnatural special effects reverb? I guess it's more of a multi-effect since it has compression and saturation too. So perhaps it can be thought of as a channel strip effect since it seems to have many of the common needed on a channel like eq, compression, limiter, reverb. I'm curious what the cpu hit is like.

Looks like Breeze 2. Is that what B2 stands for?

I feel that b2 sounds better an Aether. More realistic. Breeze is very good from my memory. They are all different.

Trouble is, is the difference between Aether and B2 enough for me to buy?

Ideally I'd buy B2 and sell Aether, but I can't sell Aether because I bought it second hand.

snigelx · Post by **snigelx** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:19 pm

I think without a doubt this is something MUCH more complex than either of the previous offerings. Just spend a couple days with it. Check the other thread about some cool things we found out earlier or just keep experimenting on different sources. The Cascade function of mixing the two engines can create some nice space within space. There are much more modulation options of the delay lines and their contours (and some more special effect type settings), tonnes of filter configs (Aether was good on that too). Read the features section of the product page to get an inkling of what might be possible. It's a decent summary there. I only read it after I had been toying with it all morning. And those things like Dynamic control can be moved to different spots within the internall signal chain. I'm sure there is great potential there that I haven't stumbled onto yet, but he speaks of being able to sort of auto-gain-ride using dynamics to dynamically crossfade between the two reverb engines. There is also a per-preset oversampling option which you can customise per instance. I think B2 uses mostly Breezes structure (and even its presets) but that is just a base for the two engines. It's like two Breezes chained together with several alternatives for interoperability. And there's an added limiter with several saturation and clipping options. Anyway, I truly believe this is worth the asking price, esp IF one is willing to invest the time to really get your hands dirty and get to know how it can work for you.

keel · Post by **keel** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:54 pm

Hi,

What are the demo limitations?

Lenticular · Post by **Lenticular** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:57 pm

$150.00 to upgrade from Aether 1 to 2?
I don't think I'll be getting anymore of their products.
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keel · Post by **keel** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:00 pm

Lenticular wrote:$150.00 to upgrade from Aether 1 to 2?
I don't think I'll be getting anymore of their products.
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Wow! That's sounds greedy

snigelx · Post by **snigelx** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:06 pm

It is neither Aether or Breeze but without a doubt contains two Breeze engines. Have you demo'd it at all? But no, not everyone is in the market for a new fancy algo reverb every two years. But I suppose this price has to do with the work that went into it, esp behind the scenes to get everything sounding clean despite all the modulation going on. I suppose one simply has to trust that but you definitely hear it when trying to push it over the limits with crazy settings. It won't break. Supposedly there's some advanced math going on under the hood of this one compared to the other two units

Lenticular · Post by **Lenticular** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:14 pm

You fell for it I guess.
Aether =A1 upgrade=B2
An easy way to squeeze extra $$ out of existing customers under the guise that it's a totally new & rebuilt product.

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:24 pm

keel wrote:Hi,

What are the demo limitations?

The limitations are legion

Seriously though, I'd like to see an unrestricted demo for 15 - 30 days much like DMG Audio offers.

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2C-B2 Demo Version Limitations
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1) Only 44.1 and 48 kHz sample rates are supported

2) No parameters info is published to the Host software. So plug-in state will not be saved in the host software project

3) No external parameters control is supported. So no parameter automation and no control surfaces support

4) Presets can be saved but cannot be loaded (only factory preset can be loaded)

5) One session time is limited to 30 minutes. you need to re-load the plug-in to continue evaluation

6) No multiple instances allowed. You can run only one instance of plug-in in your host software

7) The total in-use plug-in evaluation time is limited to 40 hours

NO AUDIO DROP-OUTS, NO NOISE MIXED. PURE AUDIOPHILE DELIGHT.

Notes:

a) In Sony SoundForge 9.0/10.0 the rendering does not work.
You can only evaluate by real-time processing (preview).

b) In Steinberg WavLab the rendering is performed using default plug-in settings. You can only evaluate by real-time processing.

!These notes apply to Demo version only!

keel · Post by **keel** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:29 pm

billcarroll wrote:
keel wrote:Hi,

What are the demo limitations?
The limitations are legion

Omfg. That is paranoid stuff. Those demo limitations, greedy pricing, ridiculous transfer fee.. no thanks. Keep your sh*t..

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:30 pm

Galbanum wrote:
Josmoker wrote:Is there any special pricing available for existing customers? The prices in the webshop are the same as when I'm not logged in.
I'm not really inclined to buy Aether "twice" when getting the bundle...
Yes. There was already crossgrade info mentioned in the email regarding adding only B2. But you question is "what if you have aether or breeze already and want to upgrade to the new perfect storm bundle?" ?

Good point. We forgot to address that. Yes there will be an option to handle that. Let me figure out the best way to do it.

B2 looks crazy impressive big spacial and kitchen Breeze sink. Does B2 stand for 2 breeze engines?

I'd love to see "crossgrade" pricing reflect a better price for those of us who have purchased Aether AND Breeze, instead of either or both.

For example, if you own 1, then $50 off, own both $100 off, or something similar.

Thanks for listening

snigelx · Post by **snigelx** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:31 pm

Lenticular wrote:You fell for it I guess.
Aether =A1 upgrade=B2
An easy way to squeeze extra $$ out of existing customers under the guise that it's a totally new & rebuilt product.

Nice try. Actually, I didn't "fall" for anything. I know what I am doing and I am very well aware of the difference b/t A, B and B2. Quite secure in the 90 something euros I gave not so long ago

Lenticular · Post by **Lenticular** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:41 pm

snigelx wrote:
Lenticular wrote:You fell for it I guess.
Aether =A1 upgrade=B2
An easy way to squeeze extra $$ out of existing customers under the guise that it's a totally new & rebuilt product.
Nice try. Actually, I didn't "fall" for anything. I know what I am doing and I am very well aware of the difference b/t A, B and B2. Quite secure in the 90 something euros I gave not so long ago

Just like Breeze is a lesser version of Aether & was released afterwards because of user comments & suggestions over high cpu & price.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:42 pm

Lenticular wrote:You fell for it I guess.
Aether =A1 upgrade=B2
An easy way to squeeze extra $$ out of existing customers under the guise that it's a totally new & rebuilt product.

Proof of that?

snigelx · Post by **snigelx** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:46 pm

Lenticular wrote:
snigelx wrote:
Lenticular wrote:You fell for it I guess.
Aether =A1 upgrade=B2
An easy way to squeeze extra $$ out of existing customers under the guise that it's a totally new & rebuilt product.
Nice try. Actually, I didn't "fall" for anything. I know what I am doing and I am very well aware of the difference b/t A, B and B2. Quite secure in the 90 something euros I gave not so long ago
Just like Breeze is a lesser version of Aether & was released afterwards because of user comments & suggestions over high cpu & price.

Where do you get that Breeze is limited to be 'lesser' version of Aether? IIRC there were a few things A didn't feature, aside from being more economical with CPU

Lenticular · Post by **Lenticular** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:46 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Lenticular wrote:You fell for it I guess.
Aether =A1 upgrade=B2
An easy way to squeeze extra $$ out of existing customers under the guise that it's a totally new & rebuilt product.
Proof of that?

I should say instead it doesn't take an Einstein to figure it out.

2C Audio launching two new products!