Waza wrote:Well i used to use Ableton but got so fed up with the gui. That i switched to Presonus Studio one which i prefer the look and feel of it , it has a very nice work flow.
As 4lb said try all the demo's to see what suits you.
I need to find my DAW
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- KVRian
- 655 posts since 25 Dec, 2009
+1000
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- KVRist
- 47 posts since 12 Jan, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
Have you checked under the sofa?TheKid wrote:I need to find my DAW
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
Hey guy. I'm really sorry I found this forum. Almost three decades ago I started making music on my mum's toaster. I'm a hacker, what can i say?TheKid wrote:Hey guys,
first of all: I'm really glad having found this forum. Almost two decades ago I started making music on my Amiga 500 using ProTracker.
Buy them all. They will all give you a different slant on how you make music.
But seeing as you are asking, I love Presonus Studio One. Then again Fruity Loops holds a dear place in my heart. EnergyXT2 of course too, but let's not forget Ableton - the most advanced DAW of all. But then again Podium is a lot of fun.
Hope this helped.
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- KVRian
- 1224 posts since 2 Dec, 2008 from Finland
Some live oriented software:
Check http://www.cantabilesoftware.com/
This one still in beta http://ifoundasound.com/?page_id=8
http://www.audiomulch.com/
Haven't really used any.
Check http://www.cantabilesoftware.com/
This one still in beta http://ifoundasound.com/?page_id=8
http://www.audiomulch.com/
Haven't really used any.
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- KVRian
- 997 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
good luck to you, mr. OP. I've been actively buying them for the last twelve years and I'm still looking for my DAW, as are many.
Here's the thing: all DAW's suck. they may initially appear to be good, but they all have to make choices when it comes to how things are implemented, and sooner or later you are going to want to do something that is either broken or non-existant in your chosen DAW. And because its relatively easy to replace your DAW (you aren't bogged down by hardware concerns as in the past) you will look longingly at another host, and you will buy it, and be happy until you run into it's limitations. lather, rinse, repeat.
some advice:
1.) pick a DAW that you think works best for you
2.) pick another one that reasonably fits the bill, but has a different philosophy to DAW #1
3.) don't go to the support forums of your chosen DAW's unless you actually really, really need support. otherwise you are going to get sidetracked by other people's annoyances with the software and not your own. In fact you may want to stop going to music forums altogether.
4.) Invest in some training for your DAW(s) of choice (Groove3 and MacProVideo work well for me) learn all the tips, tricks, and shortcuts inside and out.
5.) when you run into the software's limitations or quirks, deal with them. Don't stop working on a project in a huff because of some weirdness with the software. find a workaround, and finish the music. Music producers earn their title because they finish projects, not because they magically have better tools than anyone else. multi million selling records have been produced on far more limited equipment than you will have access to on even a mid spec PC and a budget DAW.
For me, I now use Reason and Sonar. Reason helps me create, Sonar x1 has more capabilities. neither is perfect. YMMV
Here's the thing: all DAW's suck. they may initially appear to be good, but they all have to make choices when it comes to how things are implemented, and sooner or later you are going to want to do something that is either broken or non-existant in your chosen DAW. And because its relatively easy to replace your DAW (you aren't bogged down by hardware concerns as in the past) you will look longingly at another host, and you will buy it, and be happy until you run into it's limitations. lather, rinse, repeat.
some advice:
1.) pick a DAW that you think works best for you
2.) pick another one that reasonably fits the bill, but has a different philosophy to DAW #1
3.) don't go to the support forums of your chosen DAW's unless you actually really, really need support. otherwise you are going to get sidetracked by other people's annoyances with the software and not your own. In fact you may want to stop going to music forums altogether.
4.) Invest in some training for your DAW(s) of choice (Groove3 and MacProVideo work well for me) learn all the tips, tricks, and shortcuts inside and out.
5.) when you run into the software's limitations or quirks, deal with them. Don't stop working on a project in a huff because of some weirdness with the software. find a workaround, and finish the music. Music producers earn their title because they finish projects, not because they magically have better tools than anyone else. multi million selling records have been produced on far more limited equipment than you will have access to on even a mid spec PC and a budget DAW.
For me, I now use Reason and Sonar. Reason helps me create, Sonar x1 has more capabilities. neither is perfect. YMMV
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- KVRist
- 73 posts since 16 Jan, 2008 from Dallas Texas
sonar is what I use and I've tried using reaper but its still lacking in a lot of areas but for the money its a good deal. I will use it every once in a blue moon to record old synths that won't open in sonar. I can even rewire them through sonar and use both DAW engines at the same time.
Sonar is just packed with so many extras now that its like a total no brainer. Rapture Z3ta and Dimension pro are all included and if your a fan of TH2 there are like 10 amps in sonar from them as well as breverb (producer version I think). Vvocal can take your clip and convert bass notes into midi so you can make your bass play your synths in machine or any vst you have.
buy it before sept 30th and they are throwing in DFS symphonic strings a $150 add on plus I saw that you could get x1 at BH and they had it for $139 for studio so you could get it now get upgraded to x2 FREE and then upgrade from studio to producer later on and it appears expanded is no a part of producer so this is a really solid package deal. If there are other items you need to buy start out with sonar x1 studio to get the free x2 upgrade and then see how you like sonar first then upgrade to producer later and use the money to add some nice headphones or something else on your wish list.
Sonar is just packed with so many extras now that its like a total no brainer. Rapture Z3ta and Dimension pro are all included and if your a fan of TH2 there are like 10 amps in sonar from them as well as breverb (producer version I think). Vvocal can take your clip and convert bass notes into midi so you can make your bass play your synths in machine or any vst you have.
buy it before sept 30th and they are throwing in DFS symphonic strings a $150 add on plus I saw that you could get x1 at BH and they had it for $139 for studio so you could get it now get upgraded to x2 FREE and then upgrade from studio to producer later on and it appears expanded is no a part of producer so this is a really solid package deal. If there are other items you need to buy start out with sonar x1 studio to get the free x2 upgrade and then see how you like sonar first then upgrade to producer later and use the money to add some nice headphones or something else on your wish list.
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- KVRian
- 570 posts since 9 Jan, 2012 from Dona Ana, New Mexiico in the US of A
Go with Abelton live, why wait for Bitwig they've been in beta for a few months and been vaporware for ages before that, You can get Live today and not worry when it will be released.TheKid wrote:Thanks for your replies, I guess I'll try Ableton and Bitwig first. And see then what fits best.
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- KVRist
- 256 posts since 1 Nov, 2005
i guess ive found them.
http://www.jeskola.net/buzz/
http://www.audiomulch.com/
http://batman.no/buze/
http://www.webgenpro.be/raxntrax/
http://www.sensomusic.com/usine/
http://www.audiogl.com/en/ (a bit ahead of its time)
http://puredata.info/downloads
http://www.renoise.com/ (due to an api accessible with lua [check the tools])
http://chaoticdaw.com/ (nearly dead but there and nice)
http://www.angryredplanet.com/temper/ (dead but there and midi- gold)
http://www.aodix.com/ (rip arguru - we miss you)
everything else has been already tested, i guess?!
on mac check numerology!
yepp, i know nothing of these are traditional DAW.
and i think thats the issue... "traditional"
EDIT: plus that quote below me. esp. point 5.!
http://www.jeskola.net/buzz/
http://www.audiomulch.com/
http://batman.no/buze/
http://www.webgenpro.be/raxntrax/
http://www.sensomusic.com/usine/
http://www.audiogl.com/en/ (a bit ahead of its time)
http://puredata.info/downloads
http://www.renoise.com/ (due to an api accessible with lua [check the tools])
http://chaoticdaw.com/ (nearly dead but there and nice)
http://www.angryredplanet.com/temper/ (dead but there and midi- gold)
http://www.aodix.com/ (rip arguru - we miss you)
everything else has been already tested, i guess?!
on mac check numerology!
yepp, i know nothing of these are traditional DAW.
and i think thats the issue... "traditional"
EDIT: plus that quote below me. esp. point 5.!
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- KVRAF
- 2263 posts since 6 Aug, 2007
Words of wisdom, these. Everyone who comes to KVR should read these two points. Very well put, sir.ShawnG wrote: 3.) don't go to the support forums of your chosen DAW's unless you actually really, really need support. otherwise you are going to get sidetracked by other people's annoyances with the software and not your own. In fact you may want to stop going to music forums altogether.
5.) when you run into the software's limitations or quirks, deal with them. Don't stop working on a project in a huff because of some weirdness with the software. find a workaround, and finish the music. Music producers earn their title because they finish projects, not because they magically have better tools than anyone else. multi million selling records have been produced on far more limited equipment than you will have access to on even a mid spec PC and a budget DAW.