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CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:46 pm

Sounds very promising Patch.....looking forward to it. I'm pretty old school myself so I also don't care for a lot of the presets.

Cheers......CapLock

breakmixer · Post by **breakmixer** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:32 pm

PatchAdamz wrote:
vaisnava wrote:
It doesn't do anything my software wont,
Well, It can do some things that would use up your CPU if being done with software.

That's one of the nice things about hardware..it has its own CPU.

It is a dedicated computer...

To me, Venom sounds closest(using http://www.venomsynth.com/content/thexc ... w-released) to stuff like Trilian and Alchemy(in particular Himalaya's Vintage Bank), It doesn't sound like a usual VA to my ears. It sounds Analog with a digital crunch(my best discription

).

I love it, but also wonder why this could not of been realised in software 100% using samples for oscillators, why would that be high CPU?

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:53 pm

Hello breakmixer,

Unfortunately, those pre-sets sound very much like the stock presets, still with that metallic quality.

We found that simply working with Venom in the standard "tweak", this preset and that does not escape the brittle sound issue.

Personally I did not want to give up as I specialize in vintage sounds and thought, its got to be possible.

Well, to my enjoyment I found it is very possible, but not with the traditional approach.

The "Sonic Boost" was programmed differently and gives a dramatically different result.

Warmer and more esthetically pleasing as well as emulating the vintage hardware (Roland, Korg. Moog. etc..) MUCH more accurately.

The results are impressive...

I will try to get several demos up this weekend, you will immediately hear the difference.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:57 pm

CapnLockheed wrote:Sounds very promising Patch.....looking forward to it. I'm pretty old school myself so I also don't care for a lot of the presets.

Cheers......CapLock

Well, the vintage hardware synths and that analog sound just sites better in the mix.

Having owned and worked with many of the classic hardware synths, there IS a difference.

But the cool thing is now Venom can do the old school AND new school thing.

breakmixer · Post by **breakmixer** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:58 pm

PatchAdamz wrote:Hello breakmixer,

Unfortunately, those pre-sets sound very much like the stock presets, still with that metallic quality.

We found that simply working with Venom in the standard "tweak", this preset and that does not escape the brittle sound issue.

Personally I did not want to give up as I specialize in vintage sounds and thought, its got to be possible.

Well, to my enjoyment I found it is very possible, but not with the traditional approach.

The "Sonic Boost" was programmed differently and gives a dramatically different result.

Warmer and more esthetically pleasing as well as emulating the vintage hardware (Roland, Korg. Moog. etc..) MUCH more accurately.

The results are impressive...

I will try to get several demos up this weekend, you will immediately hear the difference.

Off course I will check them out!

Do you not think though that it's implementation could of been done 100% in a software plugin, it is only samples with digital processing after all?

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:04 pm

PatchAdamz wrote:The new presets are coming alone very well.
I have been able to get closer to the classic hardware synths from the 70s-80s then I thought was possible with Venom.

For the first time it is sounding like Roland, Korg, Oberhiem and Moog, not exact but surprisingly close.

I might make the entire bank vintage pads (127 of them).

I like the idea of making 200+ presets so I can cover a broad range of useful, "bread and Butter" presets.

That allows for the user to have an arsenal of old school pads as well as an entire new collection of bass, leads, keys, percussion, etc...

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:19 pm

breakmixer wrote:
Off course I will check them out!

Do you not think though that it's implementation could of been done 100% in a software plugin, it is only samples with digital processing after all?

Well that's a good question and one I asked myself.

Think of it this way, we have the emulations of old tube compressors done for plugins with software.

While they do emulate some of the characteristics of the original software, it is not spot on.

Many people have not worked with the original vintage hardware so they will never miss the difference BUT the difference can be considerable.

Here is an example, one of the hardware versions of a very old UAD compressor had a power supply that was hand wound with the copper wire.

MUCH of the sonic characteristics came from this fact, something difficult to emulate with software.

One of the problems with software is it in not in a state of flux like tubes and hand wired power supplies are.

The old hardware gear was "alive" and was always changing, we used to turn our tube gear on an hour before a recording just to get it nice and hot, sounded better hot.

The good news is Venom is hardware, so I am finding some good elements to work with in emulating old school synths.

It just had to be done, "out-side the traditional box" as far as sound design goes.

breakmixer · Post by **breakmixer** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:27 pm

PatchAdamz wrote:
PatchAdamz wrote:The new presets are coming alone very well.
I have been able to get closer to the classic hardware synths from the 70s-80s then I thought was possible with Venom.

For the first time it is sounding like Roland, Korg, Oberhiem and Moog, not exact but surprisingly close.

I might make the entire bank vintage pads (127 of them).

I like the idea of making the entire bank all pads and that's where it has been going. Just focusing on "ok, this 20 presets is Roland style, this 20 presets is Korg, this 20 presets is Oberhiem, etc.."

That allows for the user to have an arsenal of old school pads to use how ever they wish.

Hmmm, I also would like Vintage Brass, Funk Bass and Leads etc etc in a vintage bank, not just Pads - You should maybe consider filling Banks C & D, making D the pad set, C bread and butter vintage analog classics(not limited to particular genres).

One thing I do not like about the Venom is the non-abilty to overwrite banks A & B, I'd like to overwrite the lot, far too many Monophonic presets for a Polyphonic synth.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:52 pm

Yes, I will be filling up almost the 2 banks with all sorts of different instruments(200+ presets).

Happy Holidays to all!

secretkillerofnames · Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:48 pm

mkdr wrote:
Are you using the ASIO drivers from M-Audio or the basic coreaudio ones?

I have installed the 1.8.7 M-Audio drivers. I don't know that there are any specific ASIO drivers for Mac, provided or required.

The problem I have is outlined here and here

I have an Aluminium 17" 2008 Macbook Pro and both MIDI and AUDIO only function on the right-hand USB. I can't find it now but I recall reading on M-Audio support that it is not compatible with MacMini model that I have.

Storms wrote: Sounds like you might be using a shared USB port or have some other issues. I've had no problems with using MIDI and audio together over USB on a Windows 7 laptop with a Core 2 Duo processor and Ableton Live 8.

Might be something like that. It's an OSX issue. I do know that it seems to work fine on my girlfriend's Toshiba notebook. Don't care too much as I have plenty other audio interfaces to use.

debra1rlo · Post by **debra1rlo** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:59 am

Once the boss gave me a $100 Xmas bonus it was too tempting to wait any longer... i'm going to get more Amazon gift cards but I missed this last sale and I wasnt gonna miss it again

TheSteven · Post by **TheSteven** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:30 pm

Venom Updates
Use at your own risk

Latest M-Audio Venom Firmware update
Release Date: December 12, 2011
Version on CD is dated Sept 13, 2010

Latest publicly available Vyzex Editor:
V1.11 Vyzor Editor
The version on the CD is 1.06

There was a v1.15 beta of the VyzexVenom editor that was in the works before things started shutting down. Would love to get a copy. Really a shame that they didn't make it and the source code public.

A little Venom was just what I needed for the holidays...

Best regards
...Steven

vata44 · Post by **vata44** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:35 pm

My venom started to have silent keys... 2 days after i got it.

Back in the box she goes.

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:54 pm

vaisnava wrote:My venom started to have silent keys... 2 days after i got it. Back in the box she goes.

Arrr too bad. Despite the spongy keys it seems to be a solid instrument, I think you've been a bit unlucky. Hope the next one will be ok

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:16 pm

TheSteven wrote:Venom Updates
Use at your own risk

Latest M-Audio Venom Firmware update
Release Date: December 12, 2011
Version on CD is dated Sept 13, 2010

Latest publicly available Vyzex Editor:
V1.11 Vyzor Editor
The version on the CD is 1.06

There was a v1.15 beta of the VyzexVenom editor that was in the works before things started shutting down. Would love to get a copy. Really a shame that they didn't make it and the source code public.

A little Venom was just what I needed for the holidays...

Best regards
...Steven

Thanks for that info, I have found some problems with the Vyzex Editor.

As you posted and as available from M-Audio, this version has not been updated since December 12, 2011.

I have contacted the developer but have not heard back from him.

Also it looks like he hasn't responded to any new emails since November.

It seems that the editor will not accurately save multi-layered patches correctly.

Single layered seem fine but many issues with multi.

It may seem ok at first but load it back later and parameters change.

This may be a Windows 7 64 issue as it seems there are problems posted by other users of the Vyzex Editor forum.

Any one else experiencing this?

M-Audio Venom Analog Modeling Synthesizer