KVR Audio

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:32 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
VitaminD wrote:Bitwig Studio comes with a Javascript API for controllers.. surely the more used controllers will have mappings shortly after release (if not AT release)

The only thing that concerns me is pricing... they are still being quiet on price.. they already know what is going to be included in the product at version 1 (all on their homepage in screenshots), so why not release the price?
I thought they announced it at $399 a long time ago. No?

dv247 posted right after their announcement a price of 380€ IIRC, but it is believed that it is just speculation of their part, as it is quite usual to big stores to put products with prices high above what they believe it will be so they can have hassle free pre-orders. You see the same thing with game consoles.

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:51 pm

ZenPunkHippy wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:They have probably developed the modular infrastructure sufficiently to developer the devices that they are delivering, but have not yet build out all of the details of the editing environment necessary for a complete product
That would be the exact answer

...and maybe you have the inside track on this and if so I should take it as that...

However, is it possible that their road map is to make two tiers for BWS? Like Ableton did with Standard and Suite? Where a BWS Pro will allow you to edit/create devices in their native modular environment thus not needing a day 1 release?

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:15 pm

They always say that there will be only one Bitwig.

dom@bitwig · Post by **dom@bitwig** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:43 pm

UncleAge wrote:
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:They have probably developed the modular infrastructure sufficiently to developer the devices that they are delivering, but have not yet build out all of the details of the editing environment necessary for a complete product
That would be the exact answer
...and maybe you have the inside track on this and if so I should take it as that...

However, is it possible that their road map is to make two tiers for BWS? Like Ableton did with Standard and Suite? Where a BWS Pro will allow you to edit/create devices in their native modular environment thus not needing a day 1 release?

Nope, one size fits all

There are currently no other plans besides maybe the typical stripped down version to be bundled for free with hardware products, like midi controllers and audio interfaces.

And: Exactly, the network stuff and the modular system had to be coded right into the framework and the core from the beginning in order to set the base for the future and to develop the factory devices. Both has been planned for a later version from day one, as you can see in the very initial announcement.

Ah, and btw: the beta phase is really only for finding bugs and is not intended to be a demo or a marketing instrument to get people in, like maybe Google does. We will have a free demo of 1.0 for this...

Refreshing lack of cats here, it even made me post something!

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:51 pm

Now that is cool!

Welcome

dom@bitwig · Post by **dom@bitwig** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:13 pm

ZenPunkHippy wrote:Now that is cool!

Welcome

Thanks for having me

And a good weekend to you all!

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:59 pm

dom@bitwig wrote:Refreshing lack of cats here, it even made me post something!

Cats are easily defeated by information, you know.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:21 pm

pc999 wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:
VitaminD wrote:Bitwig Studio comes with a Javascript API for controllers.. surely the more used controllers will have mappings shortly after release (if not AT release)

The only thing that concerns me is pricing... they are still being quiet on price.. they already know what is going to be included in the product at version 1 (all on their homepage in screenshots), so why not release the price?
I thought they announced it at $399 a long time ago. No?

dv247 posted right after their announcement a price of 380€ IIRC, but it is believed that it is just speculation of their part, as it is quite usual to big stores to put products with prices high above what they believe it will be so they can have hassle free pre-orders. You see the same thing with game consoles.

Yowsers! Thats just under 500 USD!!! Let's hope there is A LOT of padding in that estimated price. As in.. at least 60% less..

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:31 pm

dom@bitwig wrote:
ZenPunkHippy wrote:Now that is cool!

Welcome
Thanks for having me
And a good weekend to you all!

Hi Dom, It's nice to see you post here.

I agree, real info > cat pictures.
Thanks for stopping by.

Justin (from Nektar)

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:49 pm

dom@bitwig wrote:
UncleAge wrote:
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:They have probably developed the modular infrastructure sufficiently to developer the devices that they are delivering, but have not yet build out all of the details of the editing environment necessary for a complete product
That would be the exact answer
...and maybe you have the inside track on this and if so I should take it as that...

However, is it possible that their road map is to make two tiers for BWS? Like Ableton did with Standard and Suite? Where a BWS Pro will allow you to edit/create devices in their native modular environment thus not needing a day 1 release?
Nope, one size fits all There are currently no other plans besides maybe the typical stripped down version to be bundled for free with hardware products, like midi controllers and audio interfaces.

And: Exactly, the network stuff and the modular system had to be coded right into the framework and the core from the beginning in order to set the base for the future and to develop the factory devices. Both has been planned for a later version from day one, as you can see in the very initial announcement.

Ah, and btw: the beta phase is really only for finding bugs and is not intended to be a demo or a marketing instrument to get people in, like maybe Google does. We will have a free demo of 1.0 for this...

Refreshing lack of cats here, it even made me post something!

Thanks. You have a good weekend as well.

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:28 am

VitaminD wrote:
Yowsers! Thats just under 500 USD!!! Let's hope there is A LOT of padding in that estimated price. As in.. at least 60% less..

That is just especulations, because that is what many tech shops do (and sometimes the price is a lot lower !) but tbh I dont think it is usual in the music stores, so they may had some reason to put that price at that time... Anyway the euro prices almost certainly have VAT, so you probably can take at least 19% for the $ version

(the lowest in the eurozone I think)

Anyway it would be the only DAW with a expensive only version on the market, all other DAWs on that price range have lite/limited editions.

Just do was I do, think you will never have it and be suprised if what ever you can save for it add up to its price

...

dom@bitwig wrote:
Nope, one size fits all There are currently no other plans besides maybe the typical stripped down version to be bundled for free with hardware products, like midi controllers and audio interfaces.

And: Exactly, the network stuff and the modular system had to be coded right into the framework and the core from the beginning in order to set the base for the future and to develop the factory devices. Both has been planned for a later version from day one, as you can see in the very initial announcement.

Ah, and btw: the beta phase is really only for finding bugs and is not intended to be a demo or a marketing instrument to get people in, like maybe Google does. We will have a free demo of 1.0 for this...

Refreshing lack of cats here, it even made me post something!

Thanks for the info.
Take as much time as you need, quality comes first (and money saving time too) and different developing workflows/methods must be respected too, what works very well for Reaper devs is great for them but may be very bad for others. Personally it is quite interesting to see such a detailed plan for developing a product and, from the little we have seen, for doing such a relatively complete and fast workflow based DAW for a v1 launch. In some ways it looks like a "open" Reason, everything you need in the box with its own identity, but that you dont get limited to propellerheads stuff, specially by supporting open formats and tech

A few questions if I can (keeping the thread cats free)...

The copy protection model, is C/R but will it limit the number of installs till I call someone or will be more like Steam

(I find Steam to be quite nice as last time I build my PC I had many problems with the windows partition and in a few days/weeks I probably installed Steam and games about 10 times without any hassle)

Will the upgrade model be more of big and with much time in between v1 to v2 upgrades, akin to Ableton or Cubase, or smaller and constant updates like Reaper

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:17 am

dom@bitwig wrote:
UncleAge wrote:
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:They have probably developed the modular infrastructure sufficiently to developer the devices that they are delivering, but have not yet build out all of the details of the editing environment necessary for a complete product
That would be the exact answer
...and maybe you have the inside track on this and if so I should take it as that...

However, is it possible that their road map is to make two tiers for BWS? Like Ableton did with Standard and Suite? Where a BWS Pro will allow you to edit/create devices in their native modular environment thus not needing a day 1 release?
Nope, one size fits all There are currently no other plans besides maybe the typical stripped down version to be bundled for free with hardware products, like midi controllers and audio interfaces.

And: Exactly, the network stuff and the modular system had to be coded right into the framework and the core from the beginning in order to set the base for the future and to develop the factory devices. Both has been planned for a later version from day one, as you can see in the very initial announcement.

Just in case anyone's keeping score, I actually love to say I told you so. Believe it or not, even when you're right as often as I am, it never gets old.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:08 am

pc999 wrote:
VitaminD wrote:
Yowsers! Thats just under 500 USD!!! Let's hope there is A LOT of padding in that estimated price. As in.. at least 60% less..
That is just especulations, because that is what many tech shops do (and sometimes the price is a lot lower !) but tbh I dont think it is usual in the music stores, so they may had some reason to put that price at that time... Anyway the euro prices almost certainly have VAT, so you probably can take at least 19% for the $ version (the lowest in the eurozone I think)

Anyway it would be the only DAW with a expensive only version on the market, all other DAWs on that price range have lite/limited editions.

Just do was I do, think you will never have it and be suprised if what ever you can save for it add up to its price ...

Oh it is not a matter of affording it.. I guess that is the general thought when someone mentions price being too high.. but it would be inaccurate..

I simply refuse to spend more than 200 USD for any host... Especially when I already have 3.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:35 am

http://www.bitwigbeats.com/bitwig-studio-beta-mashes/

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:04 am

Nice find and share

The most interesting info isn't the video or the mashup.. but the text sharing this is not there yet that is not there yet..

Mid to late Summer I'm thinking now.. August ?

Bitwig modulation mapping preview