KVR Audio

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu May 02, 2013 3:17 pm

koolkeys wrote:DP is an extremely deep program, and that's talking from a few versions ago when I last used it.

Brent

So I gather. I think I'll slow myself down a bit, open up the PDF manual fullscreen on monitor 2 and take a much more gradual and considered approach.

My first inclination was to look through the menus and then just to jump in and see what's 'intuitive', start making some noise, but in this case that will very likely just waste more time, trying to guess how to do X, Y or Z without reading up on it a little bit.

When in doubt... RTFM.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu May 02, 2013 3:57 pm

Yeah, the manual is over 1,000 pages. Happy reading, lol.

Do you have a Groove3 account? Some good videos there. I've been watching some before I install the demo so I can get my full 30 days with minimal learning.

Brent

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu May 02, 2013 4:03 pm

Reason also has a 1000+ pages manual. Lots of fun, haha.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Thu May 02, 2013 4:34 pm

DP FYI is not based on "old code" lol
DP8 was a totally new rewrite of DP for Mac(cocoa) and Windows,64 bit etc.....
As of now afaik DP8 is not VST 3 capable,it handles AU or VST,hopefully VST3 will be implemented at a later date.
It's a great program but of course ymmv some aspects are easy to understand immediately some take time to understand,it's a deep program,the manual,tutorials like Groove3 and Motunation users should be able to make understanding DP a bit easier.

Johnny! · Post by **Johnny!** » Thu May 02, 2013 4:57 pm

and here we have a winner of a MOST RETARDED INSTALLATION APP contest - the DP8 demo.
for reasons known only to its makers, it does not bother to ask you whether you want x64 or x86 version and installs both. as was mentioned earlier - it doesnt ask you where to install all of this, just goes into both program files and program files (x86), also spreading its data all over different folders like "common files" etc... well done for a $499 software...

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:02 pm

That's why "Common Files" folder exists, to write some stuff that needs to be done by the app and written into, because since Vista Microsoft doesn't allow writing into Program Files folders, except some of them.

NI applications are the same - patches and various data is in Common Files, along with AppData.

However yes, I agree that there definitely should be some more options as to where to install the program, AND which version you really want.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:11 pm

Mariusz_ wrote:and here we have a winner of a MOST RETARDED INSTALLATION APP contest - the DP8 demo.
for reasons known only to its makers, it does not bother to ask you whether you want x64 or x86 version and installs both. as was mentioned earlier - it doesnt ask you where to install all of this, just goes into both program files and program files (x86), also spreading its data all over different folders like "common files" etc... well done for a $499 software...

Well you can't please everyone,aspects of any program might be implemented in different ways from various users perspective,as a long time DP Mac user I like having the ability to use DP8 as a 32bit or 64bit app,I rarely have the need to use DP as a 32 it app,I've been in 64bit since December but for me it an advantage being able to use it both ways!

DP is a deep program the program can be setup many ways,I have my projects on dedicated hd's
But the program is by default on the boot drive.

Johnny! · Post by **Johnny!** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:24 pm

sorry EvilDragon but both my daws - Renoise and Studio One - manage to contain themselves in their own directories (except for settings which go to user account folder, which is understandable)

anyway - they just could do better than that

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:26 pm

Reaper also contains itself in its Program Files folder and its Roaming AppData folder for settings. That's nice enough. However, not all applications are like that. See NI and Adobe and loads of others.

Yes, MOTU could have done better than that. I would never use the 32-bit version myself, so I don't need it installed at all. However I presume you can just manually delete the DP8 folder in Program Files (x86)?

Jim Roseberry · Post by **Jim Roseberry** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:36 pm

I would have liked the option to not install the 32Bit version, but it's not a huge deal to me.

I haven't found a means of setting up Auto-Crossfades when overlapping bits of audio.

Also, had an issue (after loading a Wav file and applying and effects chain preset in the mixer):
-The time display stopped working (frozen)
-Playback head/cursor disappeared
Audio still played and the transport controls still worked.
Saved the test project, closed DP8 and reopened... and things were back to normal.

Throbert · Post by **Throbert** » Thu May 02, 2013 5:41 pm

it's a deep deep deep deep deep deep deep deep ................Program. I guess you should tie a 2x4 to your ass before you try it.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Thu May 02, 2013 6:25 pm

Mariusz_ wrote:and here we have a winner of a MOST RETARDED INSTALLATION APP contest - the DP8 demo.
for reasons known only to its makers, it does not bother to ask you whether you want x64 or x86 version and installs both. as was mentioned earlier - it doesnt ask you where to install all of this, just goes into both program files and program files (x86), also spreading its data all over different folders like "common files" etc... well done for a $499 software...

Really? omg.. My primary drive isn't big while secondary volume drive is sufficiently big.

Johnny! · Post by **Johnny!** » Thu May 02, 2013 7:05 pm

ok, so I was "clicking around" for a bit, some impressions:

CLUTTER - that interface is so unintuitive, I had to download the demo project to actually see what's going on. preferences are all over the place, different dialogs, windows with dozens of checkboxes, then menus after menus - this is really bad if you just want to set up your midi keyboard or audio output etc.

also - watch out for QuickScribe tab - I dont have any printers and it wanted to use one so DP came out with stack of error windows and crashed. sweet

I cant really say anything about the audio engine/plugins/processors quality - because I dont think I would be able to pull a simple project up without reading at least half of that 1000 page manual first :/ and I'm not new in the DAW world. which is sad because I was really curious about DP8

good luck demoing this anyway, I'm going back to the software in which I can just focus on music instead of "debugging" the distracting interface

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu May 02, 2013 8:02 pm

Just goes to show you that everyone likes something different. Some people think the Studio One interface is horrible, even though most people think it's awesome. I've heard plenty of people who enjoy the DP8 interface, while there are those who hate it.

Nothing wrong with that at all. Just the nature of the beast. Just think, you saved yourself a few hundred dollars?

Brent

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu May 02, 2013 8:17 pm

It's the little things I don't like about studio one. Like not being able to rename an arrange track and have the mixer track rename. I've heard an explanation of why this is once but it went over my head. But by and large the only glooming problem with S1 is that crazy cpu meter.

I think it's pretty clear this isn't for me. I don't want the instruments or FX (I don't care how good they are) I don't want to learn another DAW, and though it's a shock to everyone.....I've been pretty happy with daw's of late. I especially don't want two versions installed. Sure I can ignore it, but I'm tired of crap being installed everywhere.

Digital Performer for Windows finally released! with demo!