Cakewalk Sonar X3

[no_barcode]

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Everyone always tries to put others down by trying to say they don't make music I've never understood this put-down tactic? Care to explain it?

No, I'm busy working on a song. Buh-bye.

Typical. They do the drive by and move on.

I think the insult is that you're not actually talented enough to produce works of art and instead spend all your time blaming the tools available to you instead of coming to terms with your own shortcomings.

I could be wrong though. It might mean something entirely different.

I always just come straight out and just tell everyone that despite the fact that I can spend upwards of 2 -3 years producing an "album's worth" of material my music is still pretty shitty and that I know I will not be going platinum any time soon. I blame Steinberg and Ableton for this. It's their fault. Native Instruments too. Their lackluster products make my music bad -- anyone who makes good music with their products is using a plugin that I don't have yet, but as soon as I get it my music will be as good as theirs, you just wait.

[flugel45]

I think the insult is that you're not actually talented enough to produce works of art and instead spend all your time blaming the tools available to you instead of coming to terms with your own shortcomings.

I could be wrong though. It might mean something entirely different.

I always just come straight out and just tell everyone that despite the fact that I can spend upwards of 2 -3 years producing an "album's worth" of material my music is still pretty shitty and that I know I will not be going platinum any time soon. I blame Steinberg and Ableton for this. It's their fault. Native Instruments too. Their lackluster products make my music bad -- anyone who makes good music with their products is using a plugin that I don't have yet, but as soon as I get it my music will be as good as theirs, you just wait.

[cryophonik]

...anyone who makes good music with their products is using a plugin that I don't have yet, but as soon as I get it my music will be as good as theirs, you just wait.

It's called Beat Thang, and it's NOT a plugin!

[hibidy]

Falseness abounds. Studio one and Live work almost perfectly for me

So, put-down FAIL. AND I went 3 or 4 days w/o posting here and I guess nobody noticed? I see, more about the put down. I think it says more about YOUR frustrations than mine.

[dredd i knight]

Falseness abounds. Studio one and Live work almost perfectly for me

So, put-down FAIL. AND I went 3 or 4 days w/o posting here and I guess nobody noticed? I see, more about the put down. I think it says more about YOUR frustrations than mine.

Agreed. Still had enough time to respond to you in a nasty fashion though so the comment about being too busy to answer was nonsensical anyway.

[hibidy]

Anyways, I've tried to stay out of this thing and I failed hard today, I'll try to stay out again as obviously this is all about side taking.

[hibidy]

Falseness abounds. Studio one and Live work almost perfectly for me

So, put-down FAIL. AND I went 3 or 4 days w/o posting here and I guess nobody noticed? I see, more about the put down. I think it says more about YOUR frustrations than mine.

Agreed. Still had enough time to respond to you in a nasty fashion though so the comment about being too busy to answer was nonsensical anyway.

Ooops, this one got in. I think you are right. There is a general nastyness towards all of us with the problems. I'm a big target, I got quite a bit of the arrows.

Anyways, I noticed this after my "last" post so now it will be the last one I hope.

[JoseC.]

There is a general nastyness towards all of us with the problems.

It has nothing to do with your problems. It has to do with you not taking your meds.

[trimph1]

There is a general nastyness towards all of us with the problems.

It has nothing to do with your problems. It has to do with you not taking your meds.

Sigh. Another one. Why do you guys pile on him?

[flugel45]

Falseness abounds. Studio one and Live work almost perfectly for me

So, put-down FAIL. AND I went 3 or 4 days w/o posting here and I guess nobody noticed? I see, more about the put down. I think it says more about YOUR frustrations than mine.

Then stay with Studio One and Live and be happy. You seem unable to do that (Which is my point).

My frustrations...? I post here maybe once or twice a week, if that. The difference is, you don't hear me badmouth a product just because it doesn't work for me.

And to the ridiculous comments saying I should be too busy to answer.... I have a laptop on my desk and during breaks it takes a minute here and there to post. Compare that to those who are here half the day with apparently nothing else to do.

And for the record, I never said people shouldn't complain if they have issues. It's the handful of users (of a previous version, mind you) who keep harping on and on in this thread about a version they don't own -- that is what I have a problem with.

Angry about something? Fine, make a post or two, then move on.

But when you keep coming back and back 50+ pages into the thread, then you can't possible be as "happy" with your current DAW as you seem to want people to think.

[trimph1]

Sigh.

You happy now?

Is it worgn to want something to work if the software has a good workflow? Two measly posts is not cutting it, mate.

[Gonga]

FACT: any product thread on KVR that relates to a product with long-time bugs which are never addressed often degenerates into vindictive name-calling on the part of some of the people who are still using said product. I still use X2, but do want people who are considering buying it to know that the bugs they encounter are perhaps just as likely as not to never be fixed. I also want them to know what those problems are that we have identified and which still exist in X3. And that folks, is perhaps one of the main purposes of this forum.

Unfixed bugs are not unique to Cakewalk. They are an unfortunate byproduct of the entire software industry it appears. However, it is incumbent on users to inform the company and other users of the software's problems. This is where the solutions to such problems lie. It is the squeaky wheels that make your software better.

To those who are happy with the Cake as I was for about 12 years, that's great.

Those who feel insulted by others who criticize your shiny toy need to take a step back and be more objective. Focus on the objective facts as much as possible. Remember that the critique by power users IS what makes the product better if indeed it is to get better. Staying objective will help others the most - while name-calling and put-downs are nothing but destructive - particularly to your own reputation.

[chk071]

Sigh.

You happy now?

Is it worgn to want something to work if the software has a good workflow? Two measly posts is not cutting it, mate.

Did he even try X3? I don't think so.

[satYatunes]

First thing first, this post is just my general observation not directed towards any individual.

I usually read this type of thread with interest, I own Reaper and Sonar but I do visit the Studio One, Cubase and other threads as well. Just out of curiosity, that's all. Plus I want to educate myself on other DAWs too. What I have seen that happens frequently is, those who say bad things about the products usually don't back it up with any realistic arguments or examples. One example that I still remember is a Reaper thread. Around that time I was evaluating Studio 1 and Reaper. Many users posted that Reaper lacks MIDI functions. I specifically asked what is it lacking. MIDI is an important part of my workflow so I was curious but none of those users were able to pinpoint anything substantial. One or two who tried, turned out that they misunderstood the function entirely or didn't even try properly. There is no dream DAW. All of them have their pro and cons. Only way to find out is try the demo.

Anyway, the point is those who visits this thread to know something about X3 genuinely will get confused or biased if you tell them about the bug that you unearthed in Sonar 1. It's not very helpful.

[chk071]

The question is also, whether the bugs present are even relevant for most users. Take zeta 2 for example, i read so much about bugs here, that one can think it's the total bugfest. To be honest, i didn't encounter any bug, except for some occasionally happening thing with the arpeggiator. And i really use it frequently. The thing with the VST window handling under 64-bit seems also to be just an issue with naming the presets, as far as i understood it. As i use Sonar 32-bit it doesn't have the slightest impact on me. Don't want to lie though, i haven't used Sonar nearly enough to be able to judge whether it's buggy or not, but much of the stuff i read here are everyday problems you can have on other hosts too. The current version of VSTHost is pretty buggy for example, i never read someone complaining about that. Maybe because it's free.