The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[xerxes[no]]

[quote="xerxes[no]Bottom line, price will never be fair to someone who dont need it. I would never pay more than $10 for a brand new Mercedes, because I dont have a drivers licence.

That's possibly the worst analogy I've ever read. So you wouldn't pay $11 for a $100,000 Mercedes? There would be quite a bit of profit to be made there... [/quote]

Ofcourse, I would buy it for $10 if I could sell it to the next guy. My point is, I would have no pleasure of using it myself

[Cyrex]

I was wondering if Bitwig can display a list (in its right-hand pane) of all audio files loaded in the current project? Logic has the concept of an "Audio Bin" which is a repository of all audio files in the project, also indicating which (parts of) files are currently used in the project.

[pdxindy]

In my opinion Bitwig Studio should be compared to Ableton Live Suite, because it has instruments. Bitwig Studio is also stuffed full of features which completely destroy Suite and make it look like a piece of junk. And it's exactly half the price of Suite, so it's quite good value, I would say.

Considering the vast body of music made with Live (vs the near zero amount done with Bitwig), your assertion is absurd.

And while you may happen to like the features in Bitwig (I do too), the lack of time signature changes is close to a showstopper right there. Add in no groove tools, tap tempo, freeze/unfreeze, record quantize and other stuff and Live still has a lot going for it that Bitwig doesn't.

[kennyda]

I was wondering if Bitwig can display a list (in its right-hand pane) of all audio files loaded in the current project? Logic has the concept of an "Audio Bin" which is a repository of all audio files in the project, also indicating which (parts of) files are currently used in the project.

Yes it can

[Cyrex]

Good to hear. Thx Kennyda

[ThomasHelzle]

Yes it can, and you have three tabs: "Show all", "External", and "Missing".
Then you have three buttons below for "Find all", "Collect and Save" and "Delete Unused"

Cheers,

Tom

[kennyda]

In my opinion Bitwig Studio should be compared to Ableton Live Suite, because it has instruments. Bitwig Studio is also stuffed full of features which completely destroy Suite and make it look like a piece of junk. And it's exactly half the price of Suite, so it's quite good value, I would say.

Considering the vast body of music made with Live (vs the near zero amount done with Bitwig), your assertion is absurd.

And while you may happen to like the features in Bitwig (I do too), the lack of time signature changes is close to a showstopper right there. Add in no groove tools, tap tempo, freeze/unfreeze, record quantize and other stuff and Live still has a lot going for it that Bitwig doesn't.

Well Live has been going for about 15 years and Bitwig has been on sale for minus one day. I personally would have released several hit records by now if I wasn't so busy writing tutorials.

Regarding these missing features, well, they will probably get added. Personally I never use time signature changes. There is bounce in place which is better than freeze in some ways. You can quantize recordings once you've finished recording obviously. I dunno how many people use tap tempo, I use Mixed in Key or simply adjust the BPM in Bitwig Studio until everything lines up. Not sure what you mean by groove tools exactly. You can apply a swing and you can snap to a memorized offset. You an even apply groove to the start points of chunks of audio. And the ability to apply a swing to audio's onsets is on it's way.

[virtualmark]

Considering the vast body of music made with Live (vs the near zero amount done with Bitwig), your assertion is absurd.

I don't think that's really fair, as Ableton has several years head start on Bitwig, which isn't even released yet. And to be fair, it does do quite a few things that Ableton doesn't.

And while you may happen to like the features in Bitwig (I do too), the lack of time signature changes is close to a showstopper right there. Add in no groove tools, tap tempo, freeze/unfreeze, record quantize and other stuff and Live still has a lot going for it that Bitwig doesn't.

Yeah I think it's fair to say that the Bitwig team will have their work cut out for them in the next few months. There will be a lot of people complaining that it can't do x or y, that they've been used to doing in every other DAW in the past 2 decades. There's certainly a few missing features that I'd consider essential, I'm hoping that they arrive sooner rather than later.

[kennyda]

"like a piece of junk" is a bit harsh

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

[Mushy Mushy]

"like a piece of junk" is a bit harsh

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

In the right measure though

[garyboozy]

Bitwig Studio is also stuffed full of features which completely destroy Suite and make it look like a piece of junk.

your mask is slipping. i think it needs new elastic.

I personally would have released several hit records by now if I wasn't so busy writing tutorials.

posting incessantly on the 'other' forum probably didn't help either.

[kennyda]

Bitwig Studio is also stuffed full of features which completely destroy Suite and make it look like a piece of junk.

your mask is slipping. i think it needs new elastic.

I personally would have released several hit records by now if I wasn't so busy writing tutorials.

posting incessantly on the 'other' forum probably didn't help either.

I haven't posted on the 'other forum' since I started using Bitwig Studio, if you mean Ableton's forum. When I did post there it was mostly answering questions, trying to help people. No shame in that. Not sure what you mean about 'mask'. Who do you think I am, Zorro?

I'm not going to sit on the fence. I think Bitwig Studio is a huge improvement on Ableton Live.

[garyboozy]

not sitting on the face, ok. but your opinion is pretty skewed/screwed by your dealings with them, no? plus your moan about ableton on the bitwig's own Q&A pages got me riled. just don't start up again. pretty pls.

[SLiC]

Ableton Live Suite with MAX is an incredible program that changed the way many people make music, BitWig is an attempt to build on that particular paradigm. It is certainly not better than Live in all aspects and is missing some features that will be very important to some people...

BitWig may be better in some areas (although not much use if you a big Max user), but anyone who thinks that switching from Live to BitWig will make their music better is naïve at best.

I look forward to trying the BitWig demo tomorrow with everyone else, but I have no illusions it will make me a better musician, composer or performer, its just another option, another tool, and another complex piece of software that I will probably never even scratch the surface of it creative possibilities...just like Live!

[kennyda]

not sitting on the face, ok. but your opinion is pretty skewed/screwed by your dealings with them, no? plus your moan about ableton on the bitwig's own Q&A pages got me riled. just don't start up again. pretty pls.

Me criticising the Ableton 'moderator' for allowing people to tell others to kill themselves or crawl off and die has no bearing on my opinion that Bitwig have made huge improvements to the DAW. Putting the Launcher in Arrange View, in the same orientation as the timeline, is a revolutionary stroke of genius regardless of the fact that I complained that the Ableton 'mod' banned the VICTIM rather than the perpetrator, and then banned me for complaining about it. Are we clear? Now can we discuss Bitwig Studio and not me please?