morals and money

[chagzuki]

The Tractatus is his early philosophical work which remains firmly within the western philosophical tradition. His later philosophy (The Philosophical Investigations, Blue & Brown Books, etc.) is a complete rethinking of that tradition along the same lines as Derrida.

[Shane Sanders]

The Tractatus is his early philosophical work which remains firmly within the western philosophical tradition. His later philosophy (The Philosophical Investigations, Blue & Brown Books, etc.) is a complete rethinking of that tradition along the same lines as Derrida.

Who is Derrida and what did he think at the end of his life? Was he an objectivist or relativist in his moral views? Thanks.

[tetraplan]

Just as a quick challenge, demonstrate for me how a true moral law exists if the universe is only material (atoms, particles, whatever)? Good luck!

//edit
Need to read thread first.
And better, too.
I'm tired, or whatever other lame excuse.

Groet, Erik

[Wopelka]

The Tractatus is his early philosophical work which remains firmly within the western philosophical tradition. His later philosophy (The Philosophical Investigations, Blue & Brown Books, etc.) is a complete rethinking of that tradition along the same lines as Derrida.

Who is Derrida and what did he think at the end of his life? Was he an objectivist or relativist in his moral views? Thanks.

http://www.connect.net/ron/derrida.html

http://www.hydra.umn.edu/derrida/jdind.html

he's not dead yet ^!

[tetraplan]

whatcha mean, you're english seems fine to me..anyways..everyone knows god is a coconut.

But can he be carried by a swallow?

Groet, Erik

[Shane Sanders]

whatcha mean, you're english seems fine to me..anyways..everyone knows god is a coconut.

But can he be carried by a swallow?

Groet, Erik

an African swallow?

[Alive In Chernobyl]

Well, I dont know that!


*BOING!!!!*

How do you know so much about swallows sire?

Well, you have to know these sorts of things when you're a king you know.

[tetraplan]

whatcha mean, you're english seems fine to me..anyways..everyone knows god is a coconut.

But can he be carried by a swallow?

Groet, Erik

an African swallow?

An African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow.

Groet, Erik

[Sicklecell666]

wow.. 8 pages and still.. er.. civil?

heh..my comments in this thread have certainly been a bit less caustic then in the past.

Now if this was last night after those two bottles of champagne..

[VitaminD]

You will notice that no explicit mention is made of nature conservation. The term 'Green' in this case does not have that meaning, although it is often wrongly thought to do so. Green Belts were so called long before the word 'green' gained the wider use it has today.

If this quote (which I presented on the very first page of this thread) is true, then I still dont understand why there would be a moral reasoning behind your decision on whether to or not to take the job making the song.

What is the moral dilemma??

[Glassback]

Surely the moral dilemma is in being able to live with his concience rather than going against his own personal beliefs?

I'd say being able to sleep at nights, but in vurts case...

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I don't understand why people seem to think we should all think the same.

[Sonicseven]

Glassback wrote

Surely the moral dilemma is in being able to live with his concience rather than going against his own personal beliefs?

I'd say being able to sleep at nights, but in vurts case...

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I don't understand why people seem to think we should all think the same.

Nicely put

[Mr Lizard]

Nice one vurt.
You've done the right thing.
Bill (Hicks) would be proud.

[1-2-Many]

Good posts all, and great thread. I'm an agnostic, since I think it's arrogant to proclaim knowledge (either way) of the unknowable. Although, I do hope for a god which seems like a more favorable scenario - but of course it does since we're the ones who've defined god....

That is not to dismiss our capacity for good/evil which is hard-wired into universal make-up (good/evil, ying/yang, can't have one without the other), but our ability to be intouch with both, and prefer the good, is natural in humanity, when we our in touch with our true selves.

Liked your sentiments, warm n cozy. My take - there is no objective universal good or evil, it's all relative. And although I'm glad (being human) that humans have their relative morals regarding what's best for humans, Morality ONLY exists in the minds of humans because we mistakenly THINK that there is an absolute system of good and evil and proceed to interpret everything within our experience with a humanistic bent.

A close inspection of the natural world (other life) will reveal that it is basically without morals. If it can happen it will happen "Moral" or not, and those that make the best use of resources survive, those that don't fail, and best doesn't necessarily mean most!

I wholly agree with an earlier post that stated it's easy to get too tangled in the moral questions - in the end you have to do what allows you to stay happy in your own head, sometimes that might mean rethinking or relaxing your view a bit.

I personally would've taken the job, even though I don't like the concept of what they're doing. But that's only because I believe resistance is futile. The human race is a locomotive careening down the tracks with no brakes and the tracks are running out - for personal sanity you have to ignore that fact and just sit back in the passenger car and enjoy the ride, the company, and the view out your window (and quietly, without upsetting your fellow passengers, hope for a miracle).

[Spe3D]

Good posts all, and great thread. I'm an agnostic, since I think it's arrogant to proclaim knowledge (either way) of the unknowable. Although, I do hope for a god which seems like a more favorable scenario - but of course it does since we're the ones who've defined god....

That is not to dismiss our capacity for good/evil which is hard-wired into universal make-up (good/evil, ying/yang, can't have one without the other), but our ability to be intouch with both, and prefer the good, is natural in humanity, when we our in touch with our true selves.

Liked your sentiments, warm n cozy. My take - there is no objective universal good or evil, it's all relative. And although I'm glad (being human) that humans have their relative morals regarding what's best for humans, Morality ONLY exists in the minds of humans because we mistakenly THINK that there is an absolute system of good and evil and proceed to interpret everything within our experience with a humanistic bent.

A close inspection of the natural world (other life) will reveal that it is basically without morals. If it can happen it will happen "Moral" or not, and those that make the best use of resources survive, those that don't fail, and best doesn't necessarily mean most!

I wholly agree with an earlier post that stated it's easy to get too tangled in the moral questions - in the end you have to do what allows you to stay happy in your own head, sometimes that might mean rethinking or relaxing your view a bit.

I personally would've taken the job, even though I don't like the concept of what they're doing. But that's only because I believe resistance is futile. The human race is a locomotive careening down the tracks with no brakes and the tracks are running out - for personal sanity you have to ignore that fact and just sit back in the passenger car and enjoy the ride, the company, and the view out your window (and quietly, without upsetting your fellow passengers, hope for a miracle).

Hey! that's one train I would only want to be the driver on, might not be able to get off the tracks - but it sure would feel better thinking you had some control over your own destiny - even if it is a mirage

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)