SynthEdit Survey - Breaking the Bias (?)

[Z3R0T0N1N]

yep.

superwave T-pro bounces on the one percent or lower mark here. And I only have a 1900+ XP. 512 ram. so, not a super machine of some kind.
In fact it's lower than several of my hand coded commercial plugs.
Oh well. Not for everyone. If we all liked the same stuff, what would be the point. And if everyone had brains, the world would be even more boring than it is.

[smart]

there's a couple synthedit plugins I really do like, so yes, i'll pay if it's good enough.

[Sicklecell666]

I thought, on the recommendation of the laser guided muff wiggling one, that i'd download the demo of fat-ass BCG synth.

And i realised that its simplicity is its genius. A small number of parameters, simple to use, and capable of huge variety with a few tweaks and the built-in FX.

£15 - bargain!

Genius might be going a bit far but yes, it's all about the simplicity.

There's another fat-ass synth on the way too, it's called "Biatch" and it's a sort of e-piano type FM thingy. It's been a few months in development now but should be ready soon (when I'm totally happy with it ).

Thanks for the kind words folks!

If anyone else wants to check out the BCG demo it's online at:
http://fat-ass.tk/

The Emusician review can be found here:
http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_bargain ... s_delight/

Again, thanks!

hey, I just bought your distortion plug..

IT BETTER BE GOOD!!

j/k, I dig all your stuff..hurry up & send it!

[CodeAudio]

Hi,

I just processed your order!

It's filthy, I'll tell you that for nothing.

Thanks for ordering, I hope it gives you a ton of fun!

[BONES]

I just skimmed this thread but didn't see anyone mention my two biggest problems with paying for SE plugins:
1. No backwards compatibility means that if the dev updates the plugin all your old songs that use it will be ruined. Either that or you have to keep the old one around as well as the new. With freeware this is not much of an issue but if you pay for something I believe that you should expect basic things like upgrades that will work with existing projects.
2. SE only costs $20 so, regardless of Jeff's kind nature, anyone who asks for money has a damned hide because there is no way they have put in a fraction of the effort Jeff has.

I chose the last option in the poll although I have no bias, just a moral objection. After all, probably about 60% of our live sound comes from SynthEdit synths.

[CodeAudio]

I just skimmed this thread but didn't see anyone mention my two biggest problems with paying for SE plugins

We knew you would, so we didn't bother.

Backwards compatibility is only a problem when adding features. This can also fundamentally affect hardcoded plugins, though admittedly it's easier to avoid. If it's just an internal bug fix and no controls are changed, there should be no backwards compatibility issues whatsoever.

You could also build the plugin right to start with and not need to update......

Yeah, I know, easier said than done but we would all love an ideal world!

[BONES]

Backwards compatibility is only a problem when adding features. This can also fundamentally affect hardcoded plugins, though admittedly it's easier to avoid. If it's just an internal bug fix and no controls are changed, there should be no backwards compatibility issues whatsoever.

That's what I thought until I added MIDI automation to my old plugins. They look th esame but there's no backwards-compatibility.

You could also build the plugin right to start with and not need to update......

Except that these days people expect things to have features added and to continue to grow. If Synth1 is free and gets updated there is every reason to expect ongoing development of a synth that you pay for. With SE that is all but impossible.

[CodeAudio]

That's what I thought until I added MIDI automation to my old plugins. They look th esame but there's no backwards-compatibility.

Is that not considered a feature?

Also, why didn't you add it to start with if you needed it so bad?

If Synth1 is free and gets updated there is every reason to expect ongoing development of a synth that you pay for.

There is no reason to expect anything. If something isn't broken, why fix it? If it is broken, you should have spotted it earlier.

[BONES]

Are you a complete fuckstick!?! Can you even read!?! Have you never noticed that pretty much all software gets regular updates that, more often than not, don't focus on fixing problems but on expanding features? Can you not understand why that might be?
As far as I can recall, updates to my little killerz has only ever included one bugfix. Mostly it adds things that users have requested that I have no need for, like MIDI automation [which owners of a decent host have little or no need of].

Just to stop you from making a bigger idiot of yourself, you stated "no controls are changed, there should be no backwards compatibility issues whatsoever" and I pointed out that adding MIDI automation, which doesn't change anything on the outside and shouldn't affect the contents of a patch, did indeed skrew my backwards compatibility.

[CodeAudio]

Actually, I said if it's just an internal bugfix AND no controls are changed......

Who can't read?

However, I won't call you a fuckstick but I do suggest you try to get out more.

[topaz]

so what if SE costs $20 ?

on that level nobody can ever charge more for the plugin than the c++ compiler they use.

if jeff wants to charge $20 for something that should cost $200 thats up to him, your argument is the same as the

"oh theres freeware out there so why pay"

I choose to push SE to the level it deserves rather than keep dragging it down to the low level you seem to always want to, I can also tell you that Jeff does not feel the same way as you, I have emails from him stating that he has no problem with selling SE plugins, infact he wants it.

by the way, I met codeaudio and he is 100% not a fuckwit, top geezer as it happens.

I don't expect a rational reply.

topaz

2. SE only costs $20 so, regardless of Jeff's kind nature, anyone who asks for money has a damned hide because there is no way they have put in a fraction of the effort Jeff has.

[shamann]

Backwards compatibility is only a problem when adding features. This can also fundamentally affect hardcoded plugins, though admittedly it's easier to avoid.

Would not this new Patch mem jiggery pokery Jeff mentioned with the latest beta affect backwards compatibility even without new features added to any project? I got the impression that enough changes had been made to the internal workings that all plugins will have trouble with patch recall. And it isn't the first time that a new beta release has lost some backwards compatibility.

If I were selling plugins made with SE, that kind of thing would concern me. I think in many ways the sellers jumped the gun a bit, since SE still is only beta, and on occasion does show it. The sub-controls for instance still seem rough.

Cheers,
Steve

[The_Hidden_Goose]

As a user of pretty much entirely free stuff, I'd still be happy to buy a fairly priced SynthEdit plug. More likely to buy interesting effects than synths, but I use more effects than synths really.

I'd be particularly happy to buy synthedit plugs from an SE developer whose freebie's I regularly use. Partly as a thank you, and partly to keep them at it.

I'd be more inclined to pay those guys than people like steinberg, NI (granted their stuff is quality), ot other such bloated companies with high price demnds (and I don't deny they need to have a high price to cover there marketting & dev. costs).

When I get some dosh together I'm gonna get a few ConcreteFX bits, and maybe voxengo - for the same reasons I'd buy an SE creation from a developer whose plugs I've come to use and love - quality freebies!

Always endears a sceptic public, do freebies. And the SE dev community is kinda built on it. I'd like to see them getting a return for their hours spent on the projects.

You could argue that it's built on other people's technology (i.e...the developers of the SE program), but what in the computing world isn't? As far as I can see the technology is quite adequate, and getting better all the time.

[BONES]

so what if SE costs $20 ? on that level nobody can ever charge more for the plugin than the c++ compiler they use.

Except that the vast majority of SE plugins use oscillators, filters and envelopes designed by Jeff, who charges them only $20 because he is a top geezer. That's why I feel that people like the Superwave guys are taking advantage of his innate niceness. I see it as more like someone buying you a winning lottery ticket and saying that you don't have to give him anything - most people would consider you a right selfish c**t if you didn't no matter what he said. But that's OK, the world is chock-a-block with selfish c**ts, a few more on the list won't make a difference.

[vurt]

but how do you know what jeffs relationship with other devs is?
maybe they do pass on a little of the earnings?you never know?