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dwozzle · Post by **dwozzle** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:32 pm

Ben (or anyone), is there an end date for the $40 upgrade from v2?

Thanks.

Endor-8o8 · Post by **Endor-8o8** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:53 pm

dwozzle wrote:Ben (or anyone), is there an end date for the $40 upgrade from v2?

Thanks.

I don't think so...it's an upgrade plan not a special sale.
Just take the time and ask them for a demo.

macmuse · Post by **macmuse** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:16 pm

summer2000 wrote:Question for those of you running Mixbus 3, is it possible to undo changes such as fader movements in the mixer console?
I searched the Harrison forum and could not find the answer.

No. Any fader movement doesn't 'register' as an action, so if you undo, it will revert to the last thing you did such as add marker, etc. and ignore the fader change even though that was the most recent thing you did.

summer2000 · Post by **summer2000** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:53 pm

macmuse wrote:
summer2000 wrote:Question for those of you running Mixbus 3, is it possible to undo changes such as fader movements in the mixer console?
I searched the Harrison forum and could not find the answer.
No. Any fader movement doesn't 'register' as an action, so if you undo, it will revert to the last thing you did such as add marker, etc. and ignore the fader change even though that was the most recent thing you did.

That's a bummer on not being able to undo fader changes.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:44 pm

I think the 'thing' with mixbus is that it requires a different mindset to a regular DAW. It wants to be treated more like a console. I try to just focus on its positives ie. its sound and its fast mixing workflow (which is arguably a psychological thing to do with limitations) rather than all the things I can't do in it when compared to say, Reaper (which is the other main DAW I use). If you do a lot of editing/arranging/re-arranging type stuff it will probably never fully replace another DAW for you but when considered on its own merit for mixing/mastering it really is unique.

So far, I don't think I will be upgrading. It seems that the compressor algo has changed a bit (going by forum posts at Harrison) and I REALLY love the original gui - important to me. The new gui just looks so different with no way to change it back. I've built a very stable system around mixbus 2.5 - all completely working plugins (as mixbus is very finicky with plugins) - no instability whatsoever - and I don't want to go through all that again for now!

clintmartin · Post by **clintmartin** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:40 pm

I'm really liking MB3. All of my plugins work fine except Nectar 2. I think the new gui is pretty awesome but I do still like Mixbus 2.5 too. It's very stable here and the performance seems very good.

dwozzle · Post by **dwozzle** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:04 am

summer2000 wrote:
macmuse wrote:
summer2000 wrote:Question for those of you running Mixbus 3, is it possible to undo changes such as fader movements in the mixer console?
I searched the Harrison forum and could not find the answer.
No. Any fader movement doesn't 'register' as an action, so if you undo, it will revert to the last thing you did such as add marker, etc. and ignore the fader change even though that was the most recent thing you did.
That's a bummer on not being able to undo fader changes.

Maybe, but a "fader change" is actually a whole series of smaller changes, each one happening at a specific point in time. What does undoing that actually mean? Undo the last minute fraction of a db change? Not super useful.

I haven't actually looked at what other DAWs offer in this area, so maybe I'm being thick, but it just doesn't seem to me like a workable concept.

summer2000 · Post by **summer2000** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:29 am

Fader changes is not really a big deal. I just got spoiled by Reaper and Samplitude.
I was so impressed with what Mixbus 3 has to offer that I bought it about an hour ago

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:31 pm

I personally - despise - fader undo as most hosts implement it. I much prefer that my edit undo history does not contain every fader and pan tweak so that I can undo typical edits without also undoing a bunch of mix tweaks I've done along the way.

The only way I'd ever vote for it if it was in it's own independent and discreet mixer undo history, not mixed in with the other edit history.

JohnD71651 · Post by **JohnD71651** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:08 am

I've bought Mixbus 3 on the weekend and so here are my first impressions. All of my plugins work, including my VST instruments!

There were a few crashes on Windows but not many: Changing ASIO drivers, for instance, caused a crash under certain circumstances. "Save&Quit" caused a freeze, whereas saving first and then quitting works all the time. So that's what I'm doing now. One thing that might confuse others (it sure confused me) is that after changing settings in the ASIO driver Mixbus ceased to output audio over my interface. After long experimentation I've found out that for some reason the output on the master channel was changed, and putting it back to 1&2 out solved the problem.

Still haven't figured out everything, like e.g. how to assign the output of a multi-channel midi instrument to different buses, but overall I'm quite happy and like the console feeling. Allows me to focus on making music.

Only one thing annoys me a lot, the Mixbus website keeps telling me that I'm a "known spammer" (I've never used their site in my life before) and doesn't allow me to register. Let's hope that Harrison support can fix this.

dwozzle · Post by **dwozzle** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:28 am

There's a thread on the Mixbus forum about multi-out hookup, if you haven't seen it. Ben gave instructions on setting it up on Windows, but said

Mixbus is intended for mixing audio, with a little bit of MIDI for those guys who need it. It's not optimized for multichannel scoring/sequencing of MIDI. But if you want to push the limits, lets try.

...

Again, this isn't the focus of Mixbus, so I make no guarantees it can do what you want. I look forward to your comments.

Not the facts or general vibe I'd hoped for from Harrison. It appears to be working for some people and plugins, not others. My hope had been that when MIDI was available in Mixbus, it'd be a first-class citizen, like it is in many DAWs. Feature-wise, I didn't expect it to be as mature as say Cubase (it's MIDI v1 after all), but solid basic functionality should be there, and what's there should work. I guess the key question is what the word "basic" means, and IMO, that needs to include multi-out VSTs. Studio/EZ Drummer and Kontakt among others aren't frosting for me, they're staples. Without them I'm not sure I'd consider using MB for anything but mixing, which I already didn't do with v2, because I mix as I go to some degree, and I want to hear the "real" sound of the mix while I write and arrange.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:29 pm

To be honest I was hoping that Harrison would omit midi altogether from V3 and keep the focus on its console roots. I don't think there's much point in supporting it if it's half hearted.

macmuse · Post by **macmuse** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:43 pm

I too am more interested in the analog and workflow aspects of MB. I see the included MIDI as just a courtesy, e.g. to keep one from having to go back to their regular DAW to add a simple MIDI part, perhaps. I don't feel it's trying to compete (nor would compete) with the MIDI in an established DAW. It would have a long way to go there. Plus, everyone doing music surely has one of those already, unless they're young with first exposure in this field, in which case wouldn't be thinking of an analog console DAW such as MB anyway. JMO.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:07 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:To be honest I was hoping that Harrison would omit midi altogether from V3 and keep the focus on its console roots. I don't think there's much point in supporting it if it's half hearted.

Harrison didn't include anything. It was Ardour, and from that point, it makes all the sense. I can't imagine a DAW nowadays not able to deal with MIDI, when there are real possibilities to work totally ITB.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:47 pm

fmr wrote:
do_androids_dream wrote:To be honest I was hoping that Harrison would omit midi altogether from V3 and keep the focus on its console roots. I don't think there's much point in supporting it if it's half hearted.
Harrison didn't include anything. It was Ardour, and from that point, it makes all the sense. I can't imagine a DAW nowadays not able to deal with MIDI, when there are real possibilities to work totally ITB.

I'm well aware that Mixbus is built on Ardour (been a user of V2 for at least a year now). I don't really regard Mixbus as a 'DAW' and I don't think Harrison do (or did) either. It's a console with extra editing capabilities basically and I wish they could have coded out (or disabled) the midi side as it clearly isn't the focus of Harrison.

Harrison Mixbus 3 is coming today!