Klanghelm MJUC and MJUC jr. released

[lazymarc]

Hey Toni,

after this master piece, what can we expect next?
We want more!

Right now I am still working on the next major update for VUMT. After that I'll port all other Klanghelm plugins to the new framework, MJUC is using to offer resizing in every plugin and to add the preset browser. This will keep me busy in the coming months. When all of this is finally finished, I want to try something modulation/delay/reverb based.

Tony

thanks for the info

[HcDoom]

What can we expect in this major vumt update?

[lagwagon]

What can we expect in this major vumt update?

I hope that the look will change to give us vintage-looking VU meters similar to the ones on the MJUC.

I used to own one of the TSL4 limiters. The VU meters were very nice in responsiveness and look.
https://www.amazona.de/wp-content/uploa ... Meter.jpeg

[bungle]

Hopefully he updates all the older plugins to the new framework, MJUC works with NIs .nksf, non of his other plugins do (Obviously an NI bug, but more likely to be fixed if you dont have to wait for NI hahahaha)

[BDeep]

Yeah, Tony said he will. First VUMT, then SDRR and I can only assume DC8C after that.

[oneshotdeal]

So, am I correct in assuming this doesn't support external sidechaining?

Edit: Yup. Oh well.

[Compyfox]

MJUC is not concepted to use side chaining. Think of compressors prior to that "total control" era.


Why is SideChaining so super important anyway (except for the occasional ducking of music in favor for voice over or a bass in favor of a kick in rock)? Because of EDM? Does it really have to be used/available all the time? Save with a "Mix Knob" (as if people have forgotten how this worked in the old days)?

Aren't there enough tools on the market that cover that area by now? Way more flexible even?
(Cableguys VolumeShaper and the CableGuys/Nicky Romero Kickstart collaboration come to mind)

[Tp3]

Why is SideChaining so super important anyway (except for the occasional ducking of music in favor for voice over or a bass in favor of a kick in rock)? Because of EDM? Does it really have to be used/available all the time? Save with a "Mix Knob" (as if people have forgotten how this worked in the old days)?

Because its just so cool to say "Dude... ah SIDECHAIN "

Aren't there enough tools on the market that cover that area by now? Way more flexible even?
(Cableguys VolumeShaper and the CableGuys/Nicky Romero Kickstart collaboration come to mind)

Yes, but people just want to look cool.
Go figure...

[Compyfox]

Sorry - then it's way over my head then.

[3ee]

Complyfox, I think you're underestimating the power of the sidechain. It's a great thing to have when not used for obvious effect, from a mixing point of view.

Instead EDM, think of it as 'a level controlling the another level' (send/returns are dying to have one in some situations)

But enough about sidechain, what about M/S mode? Will be particularly important in stereo overheads and buses and especially the master bus...

[Aloysius]

[oneshotdeal]

Funny how a simple question about a feature leads to people being utterly condescending for no reason.

[Compyfox]

Okay... I'll bite...

Complyfox,

see what you did there...

I think you're underestimating the power of the sidechain. It's a great thing to have when not used for obvious effect, from a mixing point of view.

Instead EDM, think of it as 'a level controlling the another level' (send/returns are dying to have one in some situations)

Side chain "control" (any form) is definitely not a new method, it has been used in the 70ies already (modded gear!). Rarely for kick/bass ducking purposes (external) since engineers worked just different (less compressors, more sculpting of sound with EQ and mic placement). But more like "voice over ducks away music" (broadcasting, also external control signal).

Technically, a "de-esser" is also a side-chain compressor (internal or external side chain) that triggers according to a given frequency spectrum on the detection module (HPF, or even BPF).

Granted, "internal side chain" is also great for having a better control of "low frequency content" (HPF) that would otherwise influence the compressor stronger than the frequencies you'd actually like to treat - which MJUC is clearly capable of doing so (since the SCF goes up to 600Hz, also somewhat "early de-essing").


But still... why does EVERY TOOL have to have external(!) side chain capabilities?
Do you really use it that constantly as "regular tool"?

MJUC's concept is a "vintage style" compressor, where "stereo linking" was the highest feature available back in the days. Unless you were crazy good with modding.

Did anyone even bat an eye on Fairchilds not having (both external and internal) Side Chain capability?
Or early DBX? LA2A, 1176?
Did anybody go apesh*t on Bootsie for releasing his compressor concepts?
What about the recent "freebie" by Nomad Factory (also no side chain)?


If you talk "AUX send/return", aren't you also talking about "parallel processing"?

In this case, MJUC has a mix knob, but even if a compressor or any other tool on the market doesn't have this feature - don't we have hosts with nearly infinite AUX/Groups these days? This is what we did "before" a Mix Knob was common place - and it's still valid.

Have we forgot how to create desired FX chains just because of "convenience within one tool"?
If that is the case - that makes me really, really sad.

But enough about sidechain, what about M/S mode? Will be particularly important in stereo overheads and buses and especially the master bus...

...and the last 60 years of making music, not to mention the last 20 years of "compressing the sh*t out of content", while only the last 10 years were heavily "M/S touched" don't count at all.

I do understand the need for mono compatibility during mastering stereo content (if you don't want to involve an external M/S tool). But again: vintage design, no digital technical compressor.

And AFAIR, the compressor is still "internally linked" on stereo signal, even if measurement plots show a L/R independent channel treatment (run it through VST Plugin Analyzer, the plot is not pink but red/blue - indicating that each channel is slightly treated differently - yet doesn't cause massive phase issues).

So I don't get the what the fuzz is about?

Funny how a simple question about a feature leads to people being utterly condescending for no reason.

Not patronizing if:
a) the feature set is already there
b) there are age old known and still suitable workarounds
c) a specific feature doesn't make sense for the concept of the tool in question


Tony Frenzel created this thing with a specific concept in mind - why can't we accept that in this paradise of software tools? Is variety of them not good enough - or does everything have to be "the same"? If that would be the case, then the counter argument is instantly "ugh, just another tool with the same features in just a different coat".

If you're after a change for "convenience reasons", or because "everybody else has it" (the SCF and Mix Knob are already more than expected as "advanced feature"), then I guess this compressor is just the wrong tool for you. Sorry to say that. And this is also why DC8C2 still exists.

Though if you want to go super-advanced, then maybe take a look at DMG Audio's Compassion if it's more up your alley for your specific needs.


YMMV of course.

[pixel85]

The sound that MJUC is giving me, absolutely compensate lack of m/s or sidechain (which is in almost every internal daw plugins bundle)

[Compyfox]

Again, an "internal" side chain is present (SCF = HPF of detection module up to 600Hz)

I still try to understand why "M/S" - can't you run an M/S tool pre and post to convert the stereo signal and then back? The compressor is then treating the L channel as M, and the R as S. Is there really THAT MUCH of a difference (phase wise) compared to a channel linked stereo(!) compressor?


Buzzwords for features that we believe that "everyone has to have" vs actual real audio engineering problems (if they even matter!).