Ha ha... Brilliant.AnX wrote:
So you havent tried it, you dont own a MM, and your reference is a cheesy video.
Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
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- KVRian
- 764 posts since 2 Jun, 2004
I call utter and total bullshit.Elektronisch wrote:There is nothing wrong not owning it and expressing the opinion about the emulation. I dont care how close to Minimoog synth does sound to be honest. Im not saying that Monark is ultimate reference to Moog emulation, i just express the feeling i get, the sound i hear. And even patches may sound close from The Legend, but the sound itself is not. And not that its not like Moog, but it lacks the depth, the "realnes" in the sound (sorry cant think of any other word), the presence. Tho i may be wrong, its only few patches.
The difference between Legend and the reference hardware is very small at most: http://www.reasontalk.com/viewtopic.php ... 38#p283438
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
So you forgot your reading lessons at school, you forgot that teachers said first read the full post, not a few words and you refer to your asumptions from those few words.AnX wrote:So you havent tried it, you dont own a MM, and your reference is a cheesy video.Elektronisch wrote:Hmm gonna share my open opinion about this emulation after checking the comparisom with hardware and the demo by KS.
Simply to put it doesnt sound convincing to me. Now a bit more why i think is that. I dont own real minimoog, but i own monark wich by comparisons and reviews is like a real deal in terms of sound. Even to my ear Monark sounds very very convincing in general from a sound. It has organic sound, depth in it. It feels like its a live instrument when you hear it.
Actually now i watched a review of Monark and im not the only one who thinks that
And the problem for me with Synapse Emulation, i cannot hear that, it sounds like very good sounding software virtual analog synthesizer. There is nothing wrong with it but it does not convince me its a real deal. Add to that for example U-He Hive does not even trying to be any emulation or analog instrument, but virtual instrument, but it feels so much more real, alive, what you can hear in Monark.
Actually after listening to amazing Monark patch rework on Sytrus by Nucleon https://www.dropbox.com/s/izhpsec7woygc ... g.mp3?dl=0 i would say at least for now this emu is no better then Sytrus
Now this is not a moog, but upcoming Pro 1 emulation, now this is convincing, it feels "real".
http://uhesongs.heckmannaudiogmb.netdna ... _Repro.mp3
http://www.u-he.com/music/Repro_autm_R_prcs2.mp3
those are my 2 cents
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
Your replay is even bigger bullshit, because i dont care about hardware or reference to original minimoog. Read again, i said in this post very clearly. Or you cant read?eXode wrote:I call utter and total bullshit.Elektronisch wrote:There is nothing wrong not owning it and expressing the opinion about the emulation. I dont care how close to Minimoog synth does sound to be honest. Im not saying that Monark is ultimate reference to Moog emulation, i just express the feeling i get, the sound i hear. And even patches may sound close from The Legend, but the sound itself is not. And not that its not like Moog, but it lacks the depth, the "realnes" in the sound (sorry cant think of any other word), the presence. Tho i may be wrong, its only few patches.
The difference between Legend and the reference hardware is very small at most: http://www.reasontalk.com/viewtopic.php ... 38#p283438
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- KVRAF
- 1944 posts since 25 Feb, 2005
I did own a Minimoog so I am very interested to try this. As for the Monark it never really gelled with me. Interesting times for my wallet these days !!
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- KVRAF
- 9850 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
Elektronisch wrote: I dont care how close to Minimoog synth does sound to be honest.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I'd be interested if The Legend is nearly as snappy as Monark is, and how it behaves with LFO modulation in audio rate. Monark is very good in that regard, sound demos, or demoing it myself has yet to prove that Legend is capable of similar.
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
No, but apearently you take this as a point because thats what you want to see being a point.Examigan wrote:Elektronisch wrote: I dont care how close to Minimoog synth does sound to be honest.![]()
Isn't that the whole point?
And the problem for me with Synapse Emulation, i cannot hear that, it sounds like very good sounding software virtual analog synthesizer. There is nothing wrong with it but it does not convince me its a real deal. Add to that for example U-He Hive does not even trying to be any emulation or analog instrument, but virtual instrument, but it feels so much more real, alive, what you can hear in Monark.
And not that its not like Moog, but it lacks the depth, the "realnes" in the sound (sorry cant think of any other word), the presence.
- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
Using both Osc 3 and the Noise as mod sources works nicekly in The Legend.chk071 wrote:I'd be interested if The Legend is nearly as snappy as Monark is, and how it behaves with LFO modulation in audio rate. Monark is very good in that regard, sound demos, or demoing it myself has yet to prove that Legend is capable of similar.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Are you allowed to post some sound demos, preferrably showign the extreme modulations, and the snappiness (short filter envelope deacy time)? I mean, it's practically released as a RE now.Ingonator wrote:Using both Osc 3 and the Noise as mod sources works nicekly in The Legend.chk071 wrote:I'd be interested if The Legend is nearly as snappy as Monark is, and how it behaves with LFO modulation in audio rate. Monark is very good in that regard, sound demos, or demoing it myself has yet to prove that Legend is capable of similar.
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- KVRAF
- 9144 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
When this will be released as a VSTi? I'm so eager now to try the demo!
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- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
I would not post any demo before teh VST/AU is finally out.chk071 wrote:Are you allowed to post some sound demos, preferrably showign the extreme modulations, and the snappiness (short filter envelope deacy time)? I mean, it's practically released as a RE now.Ingonator wrote:Using both Osc 3 and the Noise as mod sources works nicekly in The Legend.chk071 wrote:I'd be interested if The Legend is nearly as snappy as Monark is, and how it behaves with LFO modulation in audio rate. Monark is very good in that regard, sound demos, or demoing it myself has yet to prove that Legend is capable of similar.
Anyway why show The Legend not be capable of extreme modulations?
It could be also quite snappy and i done a preset called "Schnappi Bass IW" ("Schanppi" is based on a song in german about a crocodile that was done by a little girl/child several years ago).
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
My point is not to prove that Legend is not capable of extreme modulations, my point was that i want to hear what it sounds like doing those.
In german we say "die Spreu vom Weizen trennen", when it comes to that behavior in modelled VA synths. Some synths are very capable of modelling that behavior, like Monark, others aren't, e.g. Steinberg Retrologue. Don't get me wrong, Retrologue is an okay synth, it's just that it doesn't get very snappy, or handles extreme modulations very well. "Well" being that it gets really wild when applying those.
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- KVRian
- 764 posts since 2 Jun, 2004
I read your post, that's why I called bullshit, and still do. You talk about lacking depth and "realnes" of sound (whatever that means) and still at the same time claim that you don't care how real it sounds to a real minimoog. To top it off, you are basing your so called opinion on a 2 min YouTube video. That is bullshit if you ask me.Elektronisch wrote:Your replay is even bigger bullshit, because i dont care about hardware or reference to original minimoog. Read again, i said in this post very clearly. Or you cant read?eXode wrote:I call utter and total bullshit.Elektronisch wrote:There is nothing wrong not owning it and expressing the opinion about the emulation. I dont care how close to Minimoog synth does sound to be honest. Im not saying that Monark is ultimate reference to Moog emulation, i just express the feeling i get, the sound i hear. And even patches may sound close from The Legend, but the sound itself is not. And not that its not like Moog, but it lacks the depth, the "realnes" in the sound (sorry cant think of any other word), the presence. Tho i may be wrong, its only few patches.
The difference between Legend and the reference hardware is very small at most: http://www.reasontalk.com/viewtopic.php ... 38#p283438
It's task is to emulate a Minimoog, and that is what it does.
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- 10729 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
I read it all. Its all bullshit. That is very clear from your uniformed 'opinion'. I just happened to pick out a couple of parts to emphasise your total lack of knowledge on the subject.Elektronisch wrote:So you forgot your reading lessons at school, you forgot that teachers said first read the full post, not a few words and you refer to your asumptions from those few words.AnX wrote:So you havent tried it, you dont own a MM, and your reference is a cheesy video.Elektronisch wrote:Hmm gonna share my open opinion about this emulation after checking the comparisom with hardware and the demo by KS.
Simply to put it doesnt sound convincing to me. Now a bit more why i think is that. I dont own real minimoog, but i own monark wich by comparisons and reviews is like a real deal in terms of sound. Even to my ear Monark sounds very very convincing in general from a sound. It has organic sound, depth in it. It feels like its a live instrument when you hear it.
Actually now i watched a review of Monark and im not the only one who thinks that
And the problem for me with Synapse Emulation, i cannot hear that, it sounds like very good sounding software virtual analog synthesizer. There is nothing wrong with it but it does not convince me its a real deal. Add to that for example U-He Hive does not even trying to be any emulation or analog instrument, but virtual instrument, but it feels so much more real, alive, what you can hear in Monark.
Actually after listening to amazing Monark patch rework on Sytrus by Nucleon https://www.dropbox.com/s/izhpsec7woygc ... g.mp3?dl=0 i would say at least for now this emu is no better then Sytrus
Now this is not a moog, but upcoming Pro 1 emulation, now this is convincing, it feels "real".
http://uhesongs.heckmannaudiogmb.netdna ... _Repro.mp3
http://www.u-he.com/music/Repro_autm_R_prcs2.mp3
those are my 2 cents
