New Fabfilter teaser (Pro-R Reverb)

[nordickvr]

so is this reverb something really different and better from others around?

No.

Well, may be having a look at this thread (an many others all around the net) for a more balanced perspective would worth it.

I've read this whole thread and the 3 big ones elsewhere, and I've yet to see anyone describe it 'really different and better'.

There's plenty of people that like it for various reasons, including myself, but the answer to the question he asked is no.

"different" Definitely imo. Unique ergonomics (+EQ control over Decay rate/Post EQ) and Fabfilter's UI make enough difference for saying so.
"better" Depend of what you're looking for.

[SteveWZ]

Here is an example of 6 instances of Fabfilter PRO-R.
The CPU seems very efficient.

The setup takes advantage of 2 powerful PRO-R features, automation and the ability to shape tonality using the decay rate EQ AND six-band Post EQ.

[FarleyCZ]

Well. Seems like I've made an impulse buy. I like the reverb, the decay EQ is awesome feature ... but I can't help myself, I like really modulated reverbs and this one's modulation controll is not enough for me. I can get it really close to the sound I want, but it takes me too much time to figure out proper curves and mode knob setting. Time I don't have lately. :/

Wrote FF if it's possible to switch the license for Pro-MB under the circumstances. If they won't allow it. I've got a license to sell, if anyone's interested.

[aMUSEd]

So this is just a room reverb - no plates or halls?

[Guenon]

Wrote FF if it's possible to switch the license for Pro-MB under the circumstances. If they won't allow it. I've got a license to sell, if anyone's interested.

Awh, too bad. Well, the FF are a cool bunch, I think it's quite likely they will agree to the switch , given the circumstances indeed. (And boy, is that Pro-MB excellent!)

[Robert Randolph]

So this is just a room reverb - no plates or halls?

Yep. See the manual.

They do claim to have hall modes built in to the sizes, but it's basically just a "bigger room", not like classic reverb hall modes.

[LFO8]

So this is just a room reverb - no plates or halls?

Yep. See the manual.

They do claim to have hall modes built in to the sizes, but it's basically just a "bigger room", not like classic reverb hall modes.

So what's the difference? A hall is technically also a room. I think it does halls quite well.

[Robert Randolph]

So this is just a room reverb - no plates or halls?

Yep. See the manual.

They do claim to have hall modes built in to the sizes, but it's basically just a "bigger room", not like classic reverb hall modes.

So what's the difference? A hall is technically also a room. I think it does halls quite well.

This post gives _somewhat_ of an overview of some mode naming: http://valhalladsp.com/2014/01/18/namin ... lgorithms/

I was referring to the fact that what appears to be the 'hall' setting in Pro-R (3-4 on size) don't have the same early reflection length and density that I expect from a hall. The high-frequency decay is greatly variable in Pro-R as well, which can be very cool, but it also makes it so that you can at best simulate a not very convincing hall sound. A lot of vintage hall algorithms also had tail modulation, which Pro-R can do but eh... It's up to you to decide if you like it.

While using Pro-R I've found it difficult to replicate a variety of "Hall"s as most other reverbs name it.

Does that really matter though? For most people I doubt it. Pro-R definitely is capable of doing a wide variety of room-like sounds and that covers a large number of reverb effect uses.

edit: I'm going to clarify that I like this product, but it definitely is not as feature-capable as other (sometimes cheaper) products. This is one of those instances.

[LFO8]

I definitely agree that the tail modulation is not as vibey as most vintage hall emulations. Pro-R is on the cleaner side overall.

Each has it's place and purpose I guess. I can imagine Pro-R blending in the mix very well.

[Squidsneeze]

So this is just a room reverb - no plates or halls?

Yep. See the manual.

They do claim to have hall modes built in to the sizes, but it's basically just a "bigger room", not like classic reverb hall modes.

Could you please tell me exactly where this is written? I just read about room models but that doesn't exclude Plates, Halls or Cathedrals... As far as I remember someone was saying they have different algorithm parameters and morph between them with the space knob.

[Robert Randolph]

So this is just a room reverb - no plates or halls?

Yep. See the manual.

They do claim to have hall modes built in to the sizes, but it's basically just a "bigger room", not like classic reverb hall modes.

Could you please tell me exactly where this is written? I just read about room models but that doesn't exclude Plates, Halls or Cathedrals... As far as I remember someone was saying they have different algorithm parameters and morph between them with the space knob.

Prominent at the center, the Space knob is obviously the most important control of Pro-R. It smartly and smoothly combines the room model and decay time of the reverb, ranging from a very small ambience space (200 ms) to a cathedral-like ten-second reverb. With this single control, you can choose from over a dozen carefully designed room models and seamlessly vary between them, without hearing clicks or unwanted artifacts

I've never really understood 'cathedral' settings on reverbs. Some seem to be just basically 'big rooms', some 'big halls' and some are just weird things with no ER at all and lots of tail.

Pro-R seems to do the 'big room' type of cathedral. My assessment is based on comparing it with other reverb's and seeing what it sounds closest to.

The names really are kinda irrelevant though for 'simulation of a real space' type effects. Nobody seems to call stuff by the same thing, but with Halls at least there is a relatively common naming convention and historical lineage.

edit: To be clear, there's definitely no plate or spring models in Pro-R. I think what they imply is a "hall" isn't what most other reverbs call a hall, and the 'Cathedral' is basically what other reverbs would call a "room" with just a very long tail.

[Fleer]

Between FabFilter Pro-R and Zynaptiq Adaptiverb I'm set.

So I take it henceforth you won't use your Valhallas anymore?

Missing VRoom's low cut implementation

[MogwaiBoy]

People on Gearslutz are saying this reverb could even be suited towards mastering. Anyone here have an opinion on that? I'm guessing it's due to transparency and curve tweakability.

Can you do any interesting stereo stuff like super lush Side channel-only reverb for really expansive mix widening?

[incubus]

I'm really confused by this thread (well, I guess it's KVR) but....

The examples I've heard can have long-lush sounding tails.......wtf?

At first what had me going was simplicity and that it didn't over-think itself. Yeah yeah, I know, demo it for myself, but I'm just not understanding.

[underwater]

would it be a good alternative for adaptiverb?

No, they are very different beasts. This is an alternative to traditional algorithmic reverbs, Adaptiverb is something entirely different

This is exactly what I was curious about. I have my new reverb choices narrowed down to these two. Could you clarify a bit how Adaptiverb is so different from traditional verbs? Adaptiverb was the next plugin on my list for new toys, but when Pro-R came out it kinda made me take a step back to try and re-evaluate the situation.