One-Synth-Challenge: General discussion thread

[z.prime]

Another TOTAL side note... think for a second, all tracks submitted posted on Spotify... everyone listens on Spotify... potential revenue. Probably less than 1 cent. But better than absolute zero from Soundcloud. Anyone thinking this is a bad thing?

[rghvdberg]

With the way this was initially setup, the assumption was a "yes" on the part of the music owner unless they said "no".

I don't know who came up with that idea. I never said that, and of course was never my intention.

Must have been the miscommunication which resulted in initially unauthorized publishing which gave rise to that idea.

[z.prime]

With the way this was initially setup, the assumption was a "yes" on the part of the music owner unless they said "no".

I don't know who came up with that idea. I never said that, and of course was never my intention.

Must have been the miscommunication which resulted in initially unauthorized publishing which gave rise to that idea.

The intention was only to put all z.prime tracks on Spotify, I know. errr total lies.

[rghvdberg]

With the way this was initially setup, the assumption was a "yes" on the part of the music owner unless they said "no".

I don't know who came up with that idea. I never said that, and of course was never my intention.

Must have been the miscommunication which resulted in initially unauthorized publishing which gave rise to that idea.

The intention was only to put all z.prime tracks on Spotify, I know. errr total lies.

No, no .. only the "Go" track!

[rghvdberg]

Was also think of making a 24 hour video of "Go" and put it on youtube.

[wagtunes]

With the way this was initially setup, the assumption was a "yes" on the part of the music owner unless they said "no".

I don't know who came up with that idea. I never said that, and of course was never my intention.

Must have been the miscommunication which resulted in initially unauthorized publishing which gave rise to that idea.

Rob, I'm not saying that anybody came up with that idea. It may very well have not been the intention at all and I'm sure it wasn't. But that's the reality of the end result.

I'm sure this will all be corrected and when this is all done and in the works it's going to benefit everybody involved and if they don't want to be involved they won't be.

I have no doubt that you will turn this into a great thing for the community. In fact, I'd love to have my tracks up there. Just tell me where to sign.

[Auplant]

tried out the next synth "Nabla", I made a kick sound but I can't seem to get a consistent sound, the waveform keeps changing.. is it ok to sample it or is that against one of the rules?

[wagtunes]

tried out the next synth "Nabla", I made a kick sound but I can't seem to get a consistent sound, the waveform keeps changing.. is it ok to sample it or is that against one of the rules?

Sampling it is against the rules.

[rghvdberg]

In fact, I'd love to have my tracks up there. Just tell me where to sign.

I don't want to start a 'Spotify business' here. Was never my intention.

You can do this yourself, look here: http://www.boep.nl/over-boep/
(all in Dutch ; )

[rghvdberg]

The "values" for rghvdberg's band are (just) looking a bit strange to me, especially since there seem to be 40+tracks uploaded, and if the band is "popular in the Netherlands" not to mention still in "rotation via Radio", on top of that Spotify being commercial driven... I kind of expect an higher output. So something does not add up - to me(!).

Then again, there is just no comparison between rghvdberg's band, and the OSC entries. The only thing that should interest us, are the OSC uploads. Nothing else - but we don't have suitable info yet.

After that - what I'd like to see (once the information is available), is statistics. Then I'd also like to know what(!) will be done with the accumulated funds.

Topic blown out of proportion, maybe.
Valued questions - to me they are.
Discussion in progress - definitely.

About my royalties from the band; it's always possible I'm being robbed .. (see what I did there?) ..

Bit puzzled by : "songs from the OSC" .. they are still owned by the artists themselves right?

Well, I got permission to upload the songs, let's see how this online exposure plays out.
Worst case scenario : These songs make 1000ths of dollars. We offer that as prize money.
+500 entries for the next OSC because everyone wants the money ..
Now you'll have to vote on +500 songs .. that's a lot of dubstep to plough through ...

[wagtunes]

The "values" for rghvdberg's band are (just) looking a bit strange to me, especially since there seem to be 40+tracks uploaded, and if the band is "popular in the Netherlands" not to mention still in "rotation via Radio", on top of that Spotify being commercial driven... I kind of expect an higher output. So something does not add up - to me(!).

Then again, there is just no comparison between rghvdberg's band, and the OSC entries. The only thing that should interest us, are the OSC uploads. Nothing else - but we don't have suitable info yet.

After that - what I'd like to see (once the information is available), is statistics. Then I'd also like to know what(!) will be done with the accumulated funds.

Topic blown out of proportion, maybe.
Valued questions - to me they are.
Discussion in progress - definitely.

About my royalties from the band; it's always possible I'm being robbed .. (see what I did there?) ..

Bit puzzled by : "songs from the OSC" .. they are still owned by the artists themselves right?

Well, I got permission to upload the songs, let's see how this online exposure plays out.
Worst case scenario : These songs make 1000ths of dollars. We offer that as prize money.
+500 entries for the next OSC because everyone wants the money ..
Now you'll have to vote on +500 songs .. that's a lot of dubstep to plough through ...

Please God no! LOL.

[brainzistor]

But did I anywhere in that statement or any other statement call your intelligence into question?

So instead, it was posted both in the Synth1 thread and in the general OSC discussion thread so perhaps more people might see it and be made aware of it. Several folks did successfully see it (including me).
Who is responsible if you choose not to read the information?
I mean we are adults (mostly). How much personal responsibility should an adult take for keeping aware of issues that might affect them in a contest they volunteer to participate in?
In 3 out of 4 possible places where the information could have been provided to participants by the people in charge it was provided.
I honestly don't know how much more an adult should expect others to keep them informed.

1. The whole thing about iTunes/Spotify started when the contest ended.

2. Winners should have been informed via PM about the whole thing, it takes 2 minutes.

3. EVEN IF IT'S WRITTEN in the rules of OSC, winners should be informed and asked because maybe someone doesn't want to participate and share his/her track.
The whole thing shouldn't be "by default", even if it's written on KVR's front page, even if it was in the rules for 10 years.

4. Your "adults" argument is not making any sense because it's not artists' job to sit the whole day monitoring forums, they are the ones who should be informed DIRECTLY via PM, ESPECIALLY when the whole thing is new and it just started.
What part you don't understand so far?
The only immature part is on behalf of people who organized the whole thing, it's simple as that.
Yes, they tried to correct it. The only thing we can blame them is for not having enough experience
and making rookie mistake: not talking with people directly.

5. I've been submitting tracks (irregularly) to netlabels for years. NOT A SINGLE time someone just took my or anyone's else track and created compilation, but people were asked via email, Facebook, whatever, to submit their tracks and people were informed directly about ANY CHANGES.
Why?
Because your music is your intellectual property. IT'S SIMPLE AS THAT.
People who respect other people's work don't f**k around with someone's else work and their property.
THAT'S WHAT adults do, they don't "inform" you with post on a 15th page in a thread with 20 pages and say:"Bro, I said it 7 days ago, it's in the xyz thread, go read it here. You are not adult because you are not sitting on forums 24/7, grow up" and this is your argument which is simply immature.

When I'm already at netlabels, for me it's astonishing that people here are not aware of the whole thing
because some "rules" that people were discussing about here and arguing were established YEARS AGO.
Creative Commons licence. Anyone heard of it?
Because of its existence netlabels use it to gather artists and promote their music without any legal issues.
In practically all cases you are NOT receiving any money, but netlabels are taking money and use it to promote themselves and artists at the same time. It's YOUR CHOICE to do it or not.
You don't like it? Don't do it.
But nobody will just randomly take other people's music and upload it on music services without their knowledge or agreement, it's simple as that.
In most cases, nowadays netlabels use archive.org as storage or Bandcamp....

I, personally, was involved because I wanted to meet new people and I did. I became friends with plenty of people around the world over the years and it's nice when you have small dedicated community of people sharing the same ideas, music tastes and who even want to collaborate and to have fun.
I became aware of the whole thing 10+ years ago when Jamendo went live and I uploaded some of my music there and got contacted by some netlabels, music enthusiasts.
They would crawl through Jamendo and make playlists, then they would download individual tracks and make compilations for their netlabel. When I was asked, I didn't give a shit, I was like:"Take it, whatever...".
2 months later, I came back to Jamendo and saw that the track they took had over 30.000 of listens and thousands of downloads, other tracks barely 200. I also earned money because later on I was contacted by some graphic designer who wanted to use my music for his media presentation and he found me over the same netlabel. He donated me 40 euros for 3 tracks, he didn't even have to do it, but he found what he was looking for and that was my first case of making money from posting music online....
But for me, from my regular job, playing guitar and drums in bands, making music in DAW and posting it online is just a hobby out of hobby, fun and nothing else...

Second thing, even some independent internet radio stations were crawling through Jamendo (because it was practically first music service based on Creative Commons licence) and seeking for music because CC licence granted them freedom to play music without any legal issues.
But EVEN THEY were informing you that they'll use your music in their radio shows, even though NOT being obliged to do it. I know this because I was CONTACTED by them.
That's what adults do.

But, here we are today, someone is trying to tell me that I'm not adult enough because I'm not sitting on f**king forums 24/7 and not informing myself where my track will be uploaded.
Like, seriously...

Compyfox was RIGHT for asking questions. He was simply right.
You need to CLEAR everything up and to MAKE IT as transparent as possible.
THAT'S WHY you need to ask for permission DIRECTLY via PM.
THAT'S WHY the whole thing CAN'T be done by default, i.e. you win, your track is uploaded to wherever by default.
YOU NEED to ask people for their permission, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Or else, it's just a disaster in the making.

The whole point is that people should stop talking out of their asses while having literally zero experience in things they are arguing about and to stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

It's not about the money, it's about dealing with people's intellectual property, that's the point that people should need to realize FIRST.
If you are not informing people and asking for their permission, you are stealing their intellectual property,
making money or not.
Talking about how much money will tracks make or not is simply being stupid and not understanding with what you are dealing with.
That's like posting cracked software on your website and defending yourself with:"What, I didn't make any money from this, I'm not guilty", etc.
You are not making money by making torrents of popular artists either, but you are distributing other people's intellectual property without their permission.

If you don't take it more seriously, you can f**k up things and thanks to how people enjoy in dramas and overreacting, it's possible to create unstoppable shit storm (Facebook, Reddit, Youtube, Twitter) that could cause tremendous damage to KVR in the end. For what? Being lazy to spend 2 minutes to ask people for permission?

Just to remind you and the rest of the people here that the whole thing started by Compyfox asking questions and rghvdberg informing him that the winners were asked for permission while that wasn't true.
I wasn't asked, don't know for others.

Then I have to read some absolute bullshit that I'm not adult enough by not sitting on forums 24/7 to inform myself. So, if I was away from KVR for 2 months, then it's ok to upload my or someone's else track to wherever you want without any permission? Seriously, what kind of bullshit is this?
Is this even an argument?!

Again, people, PLEASE, stop talking out of your asses if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE in anything of this and stop arguing for the sake of arguing and insulting someone's intelligence with some bullshit arguments.
That's just creating unnecessary drama. End of story.

[bjporter]

Sampling individual percussion hits is against the rules at the moment. There are a few techniques to get consistent sounds, depending no what kind of kick you want. One of the things I do is use EQ to create a few layers of the kick (top, middle and rumbly bottom), and then use a compressor then limiter to glue them together. After that they start sounding more uniform, especially in the mix.

tried out the next synth "Nabla", I made a kick sound but I can't seem to get a consistent sound, the waveform keeps changing.. is it ok to sample it or is that against one of the rules?

[bjporter]

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Hey, I think we're all trying to move on now. Rob and I had a miscommunication about informing you and other winners, but we always had the intention to do so. That's been remedied. Read my message and pledge above.

[wagtunes]

But did I anywhere in that statement or any other statement call your intelligence into question?

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Again, people, PLEASE, stop talking out of your asses if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE in anything of this and stop arguing for the sake of arguing and insulting someone's intelligence with some bullshit arguments.
That's just creating unnecessary drama. End of story.

I know we've had our differences, but this is spot on.

Thanks.