what you do when you dream to be as good as your favs musicians....

[SyneSizer78]

it not replace a taxi, :/

[do_androids_dream]

Pick a fav track and try to imitate it as close as possible - like, really as close as possible - that extra effort and process - trying techniques and searching for info - will teach you loads and give you insight.

this is stupid........ justo copy htat..

It's an exercise - to learn, inspire etc. I'm not talking about copycat productions that folks then subsequently release. It's actually a great way to learn - trial and error.

[thecontrolcentre]

So ... troll got banzorized?

[kinwie]

Pick a fav track and try to imitate it as close as possible - like, really as close as possible - that extra effort and process - trying techniques and searching for info - will teach you loads and give you insight.

this is stupid........ justo copy htat..

It's an exercise - to learn, inspire etc. I'm not talking about copycat productions that folks then subsequently release. It's actually a great way to learn - trial and error.

I am agree with that!
Some people always think that is a copycat but I do have my own descriptions.

Like do_android said, practicing and playing as close as possible to the original performance is a good way to learn how and why those masters make use of techinques, tone of strings, effective behavior, character/expression, sound engineering (amps, mic, effects) etc, to produce such musical performances that succesfully slap our ears. So we learn the concept, not just the notes on the tab/score.

Secondly, to me, playing as close as possible also a way to show gratitude, respect and honours to our idols for the inspirations. Well you know, even our idols get inspired by their idols too, right?

Third, when our own character and behavior has been firmly formed, then just play freely as ourselves. Like usually people said : Be yourself!

And the OP got banned....LMAO!!

[foosnark]

I really don't. I create what I can create and that I enjoy creating. When I feel gaps that matter to me, I work on those gaps, but those gaps aren't driven by any comparisons with other musicians, simply by music that I'd like to be able to play/create, but can't.

That said, I play for my own amazement. You shouldn't take my advice if you still believe that you will be able to sell your music to other people.

I am as good as my favorite musicians in most of the ways I actually care about. I don't aspire to imitate anybody else. I like the music I make.

Part of maturity is supposed to be realizing that you can't do all of the cool things. I'd love to be a great oodaiko soloist and a nimble fretless bass player and a genius behind a drum kit and also an aikido black belt, brilliant astrophysicist, science fiction author, Zen master, mixologist and cyborg mermaid. Instead I make a ton of music that I like, even if my audience consists of half a dozen people who found my Youtube channel accidentally. I'm cool with that because there are 7 billion other people to do all the other stuff, and I can go see a band being awesome without having to be them.

[jancivil]

The way to get better is to compare yourself with your betters. Not that music is a sport, but you don't know how well you run unless you compare times. Music that you know you aren't able to make, how would you know that if you never compared notes?

I expected fairly young to be good at music. Some things came easy - but not THAT easy. I figured to enter the most competitive world there is, and I was always going to be a day late and a dollar short as a solo classical performer.

I didn't figure to write much before I had over ten years as a guitarist behind me. When I first went to music school, I figured to maybe occasionally write little idiomatic things for the instrument and not be too concerned with it. After a couple years in it, my notion of myself as, I could "be" a composer recurred. I didn't go around advertising it. After a while people thought of me as the one to create the situations, set everything up and lead as naturally occurring. I think the computer musician concept enables a deluded notion of what's available to a body; when that fantasy doesn't materialize because you didn't do the prep, that would tend to lead to misery.

Whether or not one expects to sell their tracks per se has naught to do with any of that. That's a matter of being a peddler or not.

[jancivil]

[...], practicing and playing as close as possible to the original performance is a good way to learn how and why those masters make use of techinques, tone of strings, effective behavior, character/expression, sound engineering (amps, mic, effects) etc, to produce such musical performances that succesfully slap our ears. So we learn the concept, not just the notes on the tab/score.

Secondly, to me, playing as close as possible also a way to show gratitude, respect and honours to our idols for the inspirations. Well you know, even our idols get inspired by their idols too, right?

Third, when our own character and behavior has been firmly formed, then just play freely as ourselves. Like usually people said : Be yourself!

This is a very good post. Wise, even.

[ghettosynth]

I really don't. I create what I can create and that I enjoy creating. When I feel gaps that matter to me, I work on those gaps, but those gaps aren't driven by any comparisons with other musicians, simply by music that I'd like to be able to play/create, but can't.

That said, I play for my own amazement. You shouldn't take my advice if you still believe that you will be able to sell your music to other people.

I am as good as my favorite musicians in most of the ways I actually care about. I don't aspire to imitate anybody else. I like the music I make.

Part of maturity is supposed to be realizing that you can't do all of the cool things. I'd love to be a great

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soloist and a nimble fretless bass player and a genius behind a drum kit and also an aikido black belt, brilliant astrophysicist, science fiction author, Zen master, mixologist and cyborg mermaid. Instead I make a ton of music that I like, even if my audience consists of half a dozen people who found my Youtube channel accidentally. I'm cool with that because there are 7 billion other people to do all the other stuff, and I can go see a band being awesome without having to be them.

Right!

[Hink]

The way to get better is to compare yourself with your betters. Not that music is a sport, but you don't know how well you run unless you compare times. Music that you know you aren't able to make, how would you know that if you never compared notes?

I expected fairly young to be good at music. Some things came easy - but not THAT easy. I figured to enter the most competitive world there is, and I was always going to be a day late and a dollar short as a solo classical performer.

I didn't figure to write much before I had over ten years as a guitarist behind me. When I first went to music school, I figured to maybe occasionally write little idiomatic things for the instrument and not be too concerned with it. After a couple years in it, my notion of myself as, I could "be" a composer recurred. I didn't go around advertising it. After a while people thought of me as the one to create the situations, set everything up and lead as naturally occurring. I think the computer musician concept enables a deluded notion of what's available to a body; when that fantasy doesn't materialize because you didn't do the prep, that would tend to lead to misery.

Whether or not one expects to sell their tracks per se has naught to do with any of that. That's a matter of being a peddler or not.

for years my sig was "The measure of talent is not a measure against the talents of others but a measure of one's own growth as an artist", I completely stand by that so I respectfully disagree with you. I need not be concerned with comparing myself to others, I need only to keep an open mind and learn from them. One can learn from anyone, an abstract concept like "betters" imo has nothing to do with learning.

[ghettosynth]

for years my sig was "The measure of talent is not a measure against the talents of others but a measure of one's own growth as an artist", I completely stand by that so I respectfully disagree with you. I need not be concerned with comparing myself to others, I need only to keep an open mind and learn from them. One can learn from anyone, an abstract concept like "betters" imo has nothing to do with learning.

I think for a lot of things it probably makes sense to compare yourself to leaders if you are trying to be competitive, which is all I meant by "selling records." If you want the status of your heroes, whether that be in terms of record sales or some other metric of notoriety, then it's probably going to be helpful to have a plan to go with your "dreams" that includes some sort of, however derived, metrics that tell you whether or not your plan is working. What that plan is depends quite a bit on who your heroes are though.

That's just not how I experience music as a pastime. I don't need a plan that links what I do to other "heros" because my only "dream" with music is that I don't spend too much time not enjoying what I'm doing. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy learning, hardly, but it is never in what I perceived as the sense with this thread.

[Hink]

for years my sig was "The measure of talent is not a measure against the talents of others but a measure of one's own growth as an artist", I completely stand by that so I respectfully disagree with you. I need not be concerned with comparing myself to others, I need only to keep an open mind and learn from them. One can learn from anyone, an abstract concept like "betters" imo has nothing to do with learning.

I think for a lot of things it probably makes sense to compare yourself to leaders if you are trying to be competitive, which is all I meant by "selling records." If you want the status of your heroes, whether that be in terms of record sales or some other metric of notoriety, then it's probably going to be helpful to have a plan to go with your "dreams" that includes some sort of, however derived, metrics that tell you whether or not your plan is working. What that plan is depends quite a bit on who your heroes are though.

That's just not how I experience music as a pastime. I don't need a plan that links what I do to other "heros" because my only "dream" with music is that I don't spend too much time not enjoying what I'm doing. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy learning, hardly, but it is never in what I perceived as the sense with this thread.

I agree but selling records wasn't what I meant by talent

[ghettosynth]

for years my sig was "The measure of talent is not a measure against the talents of others but a measure of one's own growth as an artist", I completely stand by that so I respectfully disagree with you. I need not be concerned with comparing myself to others, I need only to keep an open mind and learn from them. One can learn from anyone, an abstract concept like "betters" imo has nothing to do with learning.

I think for a lot of things it probably makes sense to compare yourself to leaders if you are trying to be competitive, which is all I meant by "selling records." If you want the status of your heroes, whether that be in terms of record sales or some other metric of notoriety, then it's probably going to be helpful to have a plan to go with your "dreams" that includes some sort of, however derived, metrics that tell you whether or not your plan is working. What that plan is depends quite a bit on who your heroes are though.

That's just not how I experience music as a pastime. I don't need a plan that links what I do to other "heros" because my only "dream" with music is that I don't spend too much time not enjoying what I'm doing. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy learning, hardly, but it is never in what I perceived as the sense with this thread.

I agree but selling records wasn't what I meant by talent

That was in reference to the critique of my use of that in an earlier statement,it was not linked to your use of the word talent. It was simply an off the cuff euphemism for any form of external notoriety. I was just saying that if you want other people to think that you're good, then my advice may not work for you.

[Jace-BeOS]

I don't. I mean, I don't dream about being as good as the people who I most admire. They've been at it for 30+ years (a lot of that spent actually working and practicing). They've been working with other professional musicians to fill in their gaps of expertise. Me? Well, it's just me. I do it as a hobby, with no reward for my efforts. I have little passion to make me do it 16 hours a day. Only just enough passion for creating to motivate me to come back to the studio and deal with the frustrations, trying to make more music again, a few days or weeks after the previous time.

I have no illusions of music ever being something that earns me anything (money, recognition, fans, etc). I do it because I want to create things... and I sort of have to make things or I hate myself for not acting on creative desires.

I don't enjoy the work at all, but I do enjoy the ability to share the results with the three people that might listen and give feedback. I also enjoy the sight of the playlist time counter in iTunes that shows me I have more than 3 hours of music I like, that was made by me.

I try to figure out how musicians did things that I like and I try to do those things as an exercise of learning what they did (mostly just one artist drives my interest in this but that's enough). I don't have my own sound, I think (because I draw from too small a palette)... but then why bother having my own sound when I expect to earn nothing from my efforts other than the occasional self-satisfaction with the results and with the learning?

I'd love to have fans. Who wouldn't? But I'm not inventive by nature (I'm the person who changes what someone else invents or guides the project to a specific goal; but I have no partners, so...). I am unlikely to build a following. So it's all about my own personal satisfaction, which is almost entirely driven by whether the music I've created suits my tastes, not by whether or not I've successfully emulated my idols (though my taste is absolutely focused around the stuff I like other musicians doing, so successful emulation leads to satisfaction with the results as a matter of course). My satisfaction has nothing to do with any other type of success.

[jancivil]

for years my sig was "The measure of talent is not a measure against the talents of others but a measure of one's own growth as an artist", I completely stand by that so I respectfully disagree with you. I need not be concerned with comparing myself to others, I need only to keep an open mind and learn from them. One can learn from anyone, an abstract concept like "betters" imo has nothing to do with learning.

You're disagreeing with 'comparison with people who are more accomplished at music' as though it's my entire conception which means you're disagreeing with your own misconstruction in order to provide a launchpad for that pontificating.

EDIT: If your mind is truly open, it's open to the possibility that you can learn from people that are more accomplished because of that specifically.

[ghettosynth]

I don't. I mean, I don't dream about being as good as the people who I most admire.
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I have no illusions of music ever being something that earns me anything (money, recognition, fans, etc). I do it because I want to create things... and I sort of have to make things or I hate myself for not acting on creative desires.

Yep! This is what I was trying to say as well, you did a better job.

I don't enjoy the work at all, but I do enjoy the ability to share the results with the three people that might listen and give feedback. I also enjoy the sight of the playlist time counter in iTunes that shows me I have more than 3 hours of music I like, that was made by me.

I think that this is wonderfully honest. I have found that I enjoy music more by doing the things that I emphasize the kinds of "work" that I enjoy doing more.