FXpansion Cypher2 - Coming in 2018

[AnX]

Development has stopped after Roli has acquired FXPansion.

100% wrong.
Stick to facts please.

Any proofs of opposite?

Yes. Emails informing me of new betas, and the betas themselves.

[cron]

My assumption has been that Roli have insisted on tighter integration with their product line for the final version, and/or they're delaying it to coincide with a hardware release. I can't see any other reason why the timeline would have slipped. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn.

[zvenx]

My assumption has been that Roli have insisted on tighter integration with their product line for the final version, and/or they're delaying it to coincide with a hardware release. I can't see any other reason why the timeline would have slipped. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn.

cough cough Gibson/Opcode cough cough.

But based on Strobe2's update since the acquisition:
https://fxpansion.com/products/strobe2/

and now full MIDI Polyphonic Expression (MPE) compatibility, allowing natural and tactile 5D modulation.

I think you may be onto something.

Also read this:
https://fxpansion.com/news/fxpansion-joins-roli/

We're pushing forward with exciting new products and updates including BFD 3.2 and Cypher2, and will continue to create expansion packs and engaging educational videos.

rsp

[cron]

My assumption has been that Roli have insisted on tighter integration with their product line for the final version, and/or they're delaying it to coincide with a hardware release. I can't see any other reason why the timeline would have slipped. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn.

cough cough Gibson/Opcode cough cough

rsp

Just reading about this for the first time now. How depressing. I wonder what that was all about? Maybe they didn't see VST and native plug-in tech coming just a year later...

[chk071]

My assumption has been that Roli have insisted on tighter integration with their product line for the final version, and/or they're delaying it to coincide with a hardware release. I can't see any other reason why the timeline would have slipped. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn.

cough cough Gibson/Opcode cough cough.

In general, it's totally correct though. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn. Or you are interested in acquiring certain tech, and kill of the products anyway, because you want the tech to be a base for future products.

Anyway, obviously all wrong anyway, because Cypher is in steady development. Beholder should maybe concentrate on u-he products. Wasn't Zebra 3 supposed to come out any day now?

[zvenx]

My assumption has been that Roli have insisted on tighter integration with their product line for the final version, and/or they're delaying it to coincide with a hardware release. I can't see any other reason why the timeline would have slipped. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn.

cough cough Gibson/Opcode cough cough

rsp

Just reading about this for the first time now. How depressing. I wonder what that was all about? Maybe they didn't see VST and native plug-in tech coming just a year later...

Lord knows. I was an opcode user.... to this day I cut off my nose to spite my face and wont' buy any gibson products, not even a guitar pick or guitar polish.

rsp

[zvenx]

..............

In general, it's totally correct though. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn. Or you are interested in acquiring certain tech, and kill of the products anyway, because you want the tech to be a base for future products.

Agreed

Anyway, obviously all wrong anyway, because Cypher is in steady development. Beholder should maybe concentrate on u-he products. Wasn't Zebra 3 supposed to come out any day now?

100% sure of that......

rsp

[Echoes in the Attic]

After testing the latest strobe with the MPE stuff, I am very excited to see this come out. I never loved the strobe sound, but I did used to like cypher. Some improvements look really cool. I'm especially interested to see if duophonic mode will work with MPE. Imagine how cool it would be to do odyssey style sync/ring mod sounds while pitch bending one of the notes. But who knows how they will treat duo mode. Perhaps they will force them on the same MPE channel.

Not as much of a fan of the new look as the old one but oh well, as long as it's clear.

One thing that puzzles me about the new interfaces is the fact that they put the logo over on the right side and when you close the browser, it shifts everything over to the right at the top. But wouldn't it look neater if the logo was on the left over the browser so everything was aligned and when you close the browser, that whole vertical would close and everything else would stay put? I don't know it's a minor thing, but I thought it was strange with strobe 2 as well how they could have had the top area lined up perfectly, but instead it's offset from the synth area to the left. Just move the logo to the left side, no?

[Gamma-UT]

One thing that puzzles me about the new interfaces is the fact that they put the logo over on the right side and when you close the browser, it shifts everything over to the right at the top. But wouldn't it look neater if the logo was on the left over the browser so everything was aligned and when you close the browser, that whole vertical would close and everything else would stay put? I don't know it's a minor thing, but I thought it was strange with strobe 2 as well how they could have had the top area lined up perfectly, but instead it's offset from the synth area to the left. Just move the logo to the left side, no?

I'd rather keep it as it is. The way it is now, the presets are right under the cursor when you activate the browser and the quick-preset stuff remains close by. The logo is off somewhere out of the way. The other way to do this would be to have the browser and its button on the right hand side, but this involves extra sideways moves to get anything done involving presets. Seems better on usability this way and I don't really see how the logo on the left would make it neater.

[Echoes in the Attic]

One thing that puzzles me about the new interfaces is the fact that they put the logo over on the right side and when you close the browser, it shifts everything over to the right at the top. But wouldn't it look neater if the logo was on the left over the browser so everything was aligned and when you close the browser, that whole vertical would close and everything else would stay put? I don't know it's a minor thing, but I thought it was strange with strobe 2 as well how they could have had the top area lined up perfectly, but instead it's offset from the synth area to the left. Just move the logo to the left side, no?

I'd rather keep it as it is. The way it is now, the presets are right under the cursor when you activate the browser and the quick-preset stuff remains close by.

It would be exactly the same with what I suggested. not sure why you think it would change, but maybe I did a bad job of explaining. Browser button would still be right above the browser. Preset would still be right under the cursor when you hit. I was just talking about the top panel. Anyway not a big deal, jut thought it strange how they laid it out.

[Vectorman]

My assumption has been that Roli have insisted on tighter integration with their product line for the final version, and/or they're delaying it to coincide with a hardware release. I can't see any other reason why the timeline would have slipped. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn.

cough cough Gibson/Opcode cough cough

rsp

Just reading about this for the first time now. How depressing. I wonder what that was all about? Maybe they didn't see VST and native plug-in tech coming just a year later...

Just as a side note, one of the last versions of Studio Vision as well as Vision DSP did support VST plugins. (I had been a Studio Vision user for years and decided to buy Vision DSP in late 1999 when it was being sold for some ridiculously low price like $69. Unfortunately, what I didn't know was that I was getting what I paid for - a very buggy piece of software barely being supported by the skeletal remains of a company about to disappear.)

[Winstontaneous]

My assumption has been that Roli have insisted on tighter integration with their product line for the final version, and/or they're delaying it to coincide with a hardware release. I can't see any other reason why the timeline would have slipped. Nobody buys a company just to kill their software unless they're a direct competitor with cash to burn.

cough cough Gibson/Opcode cough cough

rsp

Just reading about this for the first time now. How depressing. I wonder what that was all about? Maybe they didn't see VST and native plug-in tech coming just a year later...

Lord knows. I was an opcode user.... to this day I cut off my nose to spite my face and wont' buy any gibson products, not even a guitar pick or guitar polish.

rsp

Gibson - where great brands (Echoplex, Tobias, Steinberger, Trace Elliot) go to die or become mere shadows of their former selves.

[firepile]

Hi all,

I figure it's time to give you a bit of a progress update on Cypher2 & take a listen to some of its new capabilities...

https://soundcloud.com/fxpansion/cypher-2-early-demos

Headline features:
* Three new analogue filter models plus comb filter
* Six new shaper models including wavefolders
* Sine waveform on oscillators
* More flexible FM routing - Osc1 FMable from both 2 & 3
* Duo/tri-phonic mode for Odyssey-style melodic sync screams
* Dual Ramp generators
* Two LFOs each with 3-phase & quadrature outputs, and a sub-LFO
* Multi-shape envelopes (which output linear, exponential, cubic etc. shapes to the modulation system simultaneously)
* Tweakable analogue noise
* Much lower CPU usage than v1 -- for example, >32 voices playable at 8x oversampled in real-time on an i5-2500

And...:
* All the workflow & TransMod enhancements from Strobe2...
* All-vector, fully-scalable, retina-ready UI, choice of three colour themes
* Quick Presets & randomizer
* New browser, locks, MIDI learn..
* Euclid X/Y control, curves, keyzones
* MIDI Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression, to fully support ROLI Seaboard, Seaboard RISE, Roger Linn Linnstrument, KMI K-Board Pro 4 & Haken Continuum

... And:
* A handful of new insert FX (which will also be coming to Strobe2 in a free update)
* a more powerful sequencer/arpeggiator, to modulate all those lovely sound sources
* .. a few surprises not listed here!

If you own either Strobe2 or DCAM Synth Squad v1, you'll get a generous discount on this one.

cypher2-2024.png

We're accepting applications to beta-test at present, so if you're interested in helping out & can spare some time to do so over the next few months, drop me a line angus ~at~ fxpansion -dot- com.

That was two years ago. Any news?

[david.beholder]

It's already Feb 2018:

* No new demos
* No updates
* No nothing

Sounds like NEVER.

[himalaya]

Sounds like NEVER.

Never say 'never'.