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jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:11 am

mod edit wrote:nope

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:46 am

Read the thread and you'll realize that there's already a "conversion utility", it's less than 200 MB and it's called Cubase SX/SE 3.

swatwork · Post by **swatwork** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:07 am

Romantique Tp wrote: Sorry but I forgot to mention, at the time Cubase SE 3 was using the hardware USB eLicenser dongle so you'll probably need one to run it with your Cubase Elements license. Programs made for the USB eLicenser don't check for a software eLicenser, which I think didn't even exist back then.

But hey, at least you wont have to wait for shipping if you ever feel like upgrading to Cubase Artist or Pro.

Be aware that if you transfer your soft-eLicensed Elements license to a dongle it's a one-way trip and you won't be able to transfer it back to the soft-eLicenser when you're done.

But hey, at least you'll have an easy way to sell it when you decide to ditch Steinberg altogether

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:51 pm

I don't think many people would be interested in a second hand Cubase Elements license.

swatwork · Post by **swatwork** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:04 pm

Romantique Tp wrote:I don't think many people would be interested in a second hand Cubase Elements license.

I agree, it's a very limited product by modern standards. There are a number of DAWs in the same price range as Elements with fewer restrictions (track counts, effect instances, stem export, sidechaining, etc.).

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:48 pm

swatwork wrote:
Romantique Tp wrote:I don't think many people would be interested in a second hand Cubase Elements license.
I agree, it's a very limited product by modern standards. There are a number of DAWs in the same price range as Elements with fewer restrictions (track counts, effect instances, stem export, sidechaining, etc.).

All of which have workarounds if you're creative.

I just finished a complex psytrance track on my Surface Pro using Elements (due to no dongle); I have Pro also but Elements is on the Surface. The track featured over 80 tracks, countless FX, multiple stem exports and a sidechained bass.

EDIT: That's certainly not to say these things aren't easier in Live (for example), I'm just pointing out it is possible.

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:05 pm

swatwork wrote: I agree, it's a very limited product by modern standards. There are a number of DAWs in the same price range as Elements with fewer restrictions (track counts, effect instances, stem export, sidechaining, etc.).

Ehh, point is that it's too risky for how little you save compared to just buying it new, and you're forced to use the dongle. Cubase Elements is actually unexpectedly capable, and the track count restrictions shouldn't be a huge deal to most people who don't need the Cubase Artist/Pro feature set. You can do a lot with 40 VST instruments for example (24 instrument tracks + 16 racks, both multi-timbral), and there are ways around this limit if you need more.

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:38 pm

Romantique Tp wrote:Read the thread and you'll realize that there's already a "conversion utility", it's less than 200 MB and it's called Cubase SX/SE 3.

One without licensing requirements. Apparently, you and I differ in our definition of a utility. And thanks for assuming I hadn't read the thread or digested it.

swatwork · Post by **swatwork** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:42 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:All of which have workarounds if you're creative.

Of course. I've been using Elements since version 7 but now that it's joined Pro/Artist on the annual paid-upgrade treadmill I've decided that it's no longer worth living with these limitations.

Track limits aren't the real problem, what I got tired of was limitations such as the lack of MIDI-effects, limited audio-routing, no multi-track exports, instrument tracks limited to a single instrument (no layering or splitting), awkward licensing and increasingly bloated downloads (full of content I'll never use).

There are a number of cheaper or similarly priced alternatives that don't have these restrictions, in particular 'the-DAW-that-shall-not-be-named'

Weasel-Boy · Post by **Weasel-Boy** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:39 am

A word of warning if you use SX-3 or SE-3 and you have a modern version of Cubase installed, along with modern, 3rd party plug-ins in your VST folder. You may find that SX-3 or SE-3 may crash while launching. This will most likely be due to a good many of the plug-ins you already have installed that simply choke the launch sequence.

My advice is to temporarily rename or move your VST folder before launching SX-3 or SE-3. That should prevent it from crashing on launch and you should be good to go importing old .ALL and .ARR files. Once you’ve saved the imported info as a .cpr, you can close down SX-3, reset the VST folder, and continue on in a modern version of Cubase.

YMMV

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:58 pm

Weasel-Boy wrote:A word of warning if you use SX-3 or SE-3 and you have a modern version of Cubase installed, along with modern, 3rd party plug-ins in your VST folder. You may find that SX-3 or SE-3 may crash while launching. This will most likely be due to a good many of the plug-ins you already have installed that simply choke the launch sequence.

My advice is to temporarily rename or move your VST folder before launching SX-3 or SE-3. That should prevent it from crashing on launch and you should be good to go importing old .ALL and .ARR files. Once you’ve saved the imported info as a .cpr, you can close down SX-3, reset the VST folder, and continue on in a modern version of Cubase.

YMMV

Or run it in VirtualBox.

Cubasis VST 5.0 - reading old files...