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Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:44 pm

Why note make instrumental music instead?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:45 pm

Aloysius wrote:Why note make instrumental music instead?

I've made TONS of instrumental music in my life. If you don't mind, I prefer making music with words and vocals.

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:53 pm

wagtunes wrote:
mgw38 wrote:Another option to consider for vocals: you do not always need to use an actually existing language to communicate emotion. Probably the best example is the Gladiator theme song by Hans Zimmer which Lisa Gerrard sang in Idioglossia (essentially a made up language). You can actually do that quite well with many of the better vocal Kontakt libraries.
I know exactly what you're talking about. In fact, I did that already with one of my older tunes (before Vocaloid) called "Love Will Come Calling"

Nice! There are some libraries out there today that would allow you to not rely as much on vowels only.

A more recent (real world) example is the title song of the movie "2:22" which gives me goosebumps every time I hear it:

The words Lisa Gerrard sings do not exist. This is not a language in the traditional sense. And still it communicates emotions extremely well. It should be possible to achieve this at a high level of quality with Kontakt libraries. Again, obviously with some limitations, but at least much better than with Vocaloids.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:45 pm

It already exists

https://blog.wavosaur.com/text-to-speech-vst-vst-speek/

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:41 pm

+1 for making instrumental music instead.

Nielzie · Post by **Nielzie** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:52 pm

It would be like paying for a fake orgasm.

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:56 pm

Aloysius wrote:+1 for making instrumental music instead.

Well, these things are to the human voice a bit like the early synth were to traditional instruments. At some point somebody is going to do something innovative and cool and whatever that is it might actually have quite an impact on how with think of the human voice as an instrument.

But there is absolutely nothing wrong with making instrumental music with the instruments we have today, of course.

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:00 pm

Nielzie wrote:It would be like paying for a fake orgasm.

Isn't that exactly what you are getting when you are paying?

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:06 pm

(forgive, I read pages 1, 2 and 9 so excuse any duplicate opinions)

VariKusBrainZ wrote:Itll be available in the next 10 years maximum

I agree. I see it as almost inevitable and it will be huge. I don't think there's anything in physics to prevent it, in fact it's quite surprising something like this isn't out already. I'd bet there's a wing at iZotope working on it already, what with all the machine learning they're doing. But...

I played around with some form of Vocaloid a couple of years back. What struck me was how similar it sounded to heavily autotuned pop voices. A lot of pop / dance in particular would lend itself very easily to this, since the vocal sound is so processed already it's an easier reach. Performances with subtlety in the phrasing will of course be hardest. So I think generic pop voice will be good enough in a few years, but a perfect Nina Simone will be much further off.

At the very least, I can see it being very useful for mocking up demos for real singers.

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:50 pm

In addition to Voctro, Emvoice are also working quite actively on something and plan to release a first voice this year, but Synthesizer V seems to be the upcoming software that singing synth fans seem most interested it. Its developer, or lead developer, is posting research updates on Twitter: https://twitter.com/khuasw

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:14 pm

Auto tuned vocals sound better than Vocaloid. You dont have to go totally T-Pain, just tidy up your out of tuneness.

Vocaloid is just sound so gimicky I cant listen to it, its a joke.
Its like watching a bad 70s scifi B movie

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:33 pm

I see it now. Mr. Wags invents his new thousand dollar vocal software, then proceeds to take over the world with his new hit single "Shiny Hiney".

Nielzie · Post by **Nielzie** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:34 pm

mgw38 wrote:
Nielzie wrote:It would be like paying for a fake orgasm.
Isn't that exactly what you are getting when you are paying?

Yep. Simply can't match the "real deal"

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:41 pm

its been done for at least one artist...

http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0107/simul ... atron.html

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:01 pm

Why make music at all. No worries.

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