Valhalla Delay released

[egbert]

There's nothing dishonest about sales. If you really need the plugin, you buy for the initital price. If you don't, you play it smart, and wait for a sale. It serves the human nature, nothing more, nothing less. A constant price doesn't serve human nature. It serves a idealized human nature, which does not exist in reality.

Anyway, let's keep this to talk about the plugin, no philosophical questions.

C'mon - this is therapy for our collective GAS.

[subterfuge]

Where one can see screenshot of UI or it's still only for better testers?

Page 24 for example.

There's nothing dishonest about sales. If you really need the plugin, you buy for the initital price. If you don't, you play it smart, and wait for a sale. It serves the human nature, nothing more, nothing less. A constant price doesn't serve human nature. It serves a idealized human nature, which does not exist in reality.

Anyway, let's keep this to talk about the plugin, no philosophical questions.

Nope. You started it, so others have a right to at least point out that your philosophical musings didn't make any sense. Serves or doesn't serve human nature, c'mon...and now, as you suggested, back to regular programming...

[chk071]

Well, i surely won't get into first grade economics now. You merely pointed out that, in your opinion, what i said doesn't make sense, and didn't explain in any way why you think it doesn't make sense. Maybe it's better that way anyway, i don't think this thread really needs such a discussion.

I didn't start it, by the way. I didn't call anyone's business model dishonest.

[subterfuge]

Nah, it's ok. But if you really want to know why I said it, it's very simple. You said constant price serves an idealized human nature, which doesn't exist in reality. Well, constant price in cases like this does serve my human nature very well, and I don't think I'm the only one either. Since I'm pretty much an existing entity also in this realm we call reality, your claim doesn't make sense. I don't need the further explanation of what part of human nature you were actually meaning, but you are of course free to do it if you want to.

[chk071]

You may not be the only one, but, that doesn't make it the preferred option for most, or the preferred, and approved option to offer for companies. Take a look at how many companies do sales, and take a look at some companies claiming they don't do sales, but they actually do sales (talking about dishonesty...). And you'll maybe see (or not) that there's definitely a point to it.

Static prices on the other hand definitely have a touch of communism (there we go, deep HPC territory). There is no dynamic. A company can't just say one day that they do a sale, and all of a sudden they have 3, 4, or 5 times as many people buying their product as normally would do. That's more or less the point of sales, and the reason why they are done. There also seems to be a trend to make intro prices, even though i don't quite get the point of those. New and shiny always sells the best, so, personally, i wouldn't do those, if i ran a business. I can only imagine it's to establish a name. As a customer, of course, i'll take those anyway.

And, to be honest, outside of some single odd companies who do this in the audio business, i don't know any other industry where something like this is happening. I know 3 companies who do this, and 2 of those are one man shows, while the other actually doe sales. Well... i'm kind of wasting my breath here, i guess.

[ckam03]

Everytime I see some activity in this thread, I think the plugin is released. Sigh

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Software is a bit difference in that once a product is developed, the cost to produce additional copies is basically 0. And to be clear: yes, you have to keep the lights on, servers running, eat, and [hopefully] turn a profit, but you're not paying manufacturing costs per item delivered.

So it's not like you're paying for better components when you buy a $150 plugin on sale for $50. A $50 plugin can be just as good. And the fact the operation is a one-man shop, may be exactly what allows the business to remain profitable at that low entry cost. Whereas the company selling $150 plugins with regular sales could have higher overhead and is likely using regular sales to help drive revenue. That model just may be required to drive sales and keep their lights on. It's a free market, I won't ascribe morality to either approach; both are valid, and both companies may have different requirements and considerations. My preference is the "price it right and keep it flat" model because there's no artificial pressure placed on the consumer to rush out and buy, but it's just my own preference. I don't fault Waves or anyone else for their sales, I'll take advantage of sales as they come up, but I'd prefer if everyone was just chill and priced things low in the first place with no sales. Not a question of honesty though.

However, my original point remains: $50 bucks with no sales ever is the same cost to you as a consumer as $50 down from $150. If you're willing to buy a $50 delay on sale, then I don't understand why you wouldn't buy a $50 delay that never goes on sale. They cost the same. If that's the case (and maybe I misunderstood, but that's how I took it), then it's like you're allowing yourself to be tricked into believing that there's more value in one of the other. The non-sale price isn't indicative of quality. It's not like we're talking about the difference between MIDAS transformers vs. Sowters and cheap capacitors vs. Vishay capacitors and you're getting a great deal by buying one over the other at sale price for that reason.

[ATS]

I selfishly wish music software would price like video games. When they first come out they are usually $60 but then a year later you can buy them for like $20 or less.

[ckam03]

I selfishly wish music software would price like video games. When they first come out they are usually $60 but then a year later you can buy them for like $20 or less.

So basically Plugin Alliance.

[egbert]

Video games is a bigger market than movies. Revenues are astromical. Plugins, not so much.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I selfishly wish music software would price like video games. When they first come out they are usually $60 but then a year later you can buy them for like $20 or less.

So basically Plugin Alliance.

Do they even wait for half a year?

[chk071]

So it's not like you're paying for better components when you buy a $150 plugin on sale for $50. A $50 plugin can be just as good.

Yes, it's not that shiny, new thing though, which gives you a immediate boner, and makes you hip.

I guess server costs etc. are a rather small position. I'd think the most is spent for marketing and advertising after the initial release, and, of course, updating the plugin. Which is also significantly less after 1 or 2 years, normally. Anyway, the point is, you can create a lot of extra sales, when you discount your plugin. You can also create a lot of extra interest, and, ultimately, it's good for the buyer as well, because a steady revenue means more chances for future development.

Anyway, every company has got to know what they do. I was just hanging at the "honesty" thing. I don't think it's dishonest to do sales. I can see nothing dishonest about it. Software tech is also subject to obsolescence, because newer tech might be vastly superior. Take a look at Steinberg Neon, and take a look where we are now. Noone would buy Steinberg Neon full price today.

[ATS]

I selfishly wish music software would price like video games. When they first come out they are usually $60 but then a year later you can buy them for like $20 or less.

So basically Plugin Alliance.

I love the way PA works.

[krankyone]

"Yes, it's not that shiny, new thing though, which gives you a immediate boner, and makes you hip."

[acid alex]

I will buy this