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RyFi · Post by **RyFi** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:04 am

THE INTRANCER wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:59 am Are there any plans for a new more modern GUI ? Is it possible for users to reskin it themselves ?

Negative.

satchnut · Post by **satchnut** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:49 am

RyFi, dude, I don’t know what I said that seems to have gotten you so upset. I’ve got nothing against your synth. Just answering a question that someone asked which I took the time to answer, because I myself was wondering the same thing. Everyone has their own workflow and their own preferred setups based on what set of features each product in their arsenal comprises.

I’m sure you’re working very hard. You could use this as an opportunity to consider how you might be advertising your instrument on the product page, if the Dexed (et al.) references are such a thorn in your side. You know what your product is, but selling it to yourself isn’t going to win you customers. I don’t know your life’s story or who you talk to or what your motivations are.

People will appreciate it if you’re up-front about exactly what your product is and what it isn’t. If it is meant to import sysex but isn’t meant to sound like the instrument you exported it from, making that clear to a casual browser might answer their question before they have a chance to poke your sore spot. If people keep asking, it’s probably because it’s important to them, and it isn’t clear.

Sorry if I’m starting to get riled up myself. I’m not trying to start a fight. I can appreciate the time you’re taking to make a great product and interact with your customers / potential customers.

Cheers and good luck!

RyFi · Post by **RyFi** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:59 am

Argh, don't worry about it. I'm just getting annoyed that I'm pouring tons of work into my synth while simultaneously in this thread there are fresh instances of someone comparing it unfavourably to Dexed, complaining about the GUI, asking for time-consuming features that very few people want, and pointing out something it's doing wrong. It's exhausting. Sorry, it's nothing personal against you. I apologize if I'm acting unfairly. I didn't think I was. I'm just upset by the negativity.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:20 am

A few squeaky wheels making a bit of noise that's all.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 am

RyFi wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:59 am Argh, don't worry about it. I'm just getting annoyed that I'm pouring tons of work into my synth while simultaneously in this thread there are fresh instances of someone comparing it unfavourably to Dexed, complaining about the GUI, asking for time-consuming features that very few people want, and pointing out something it's doing wrong. It's exhausting. Sorry, it's nothing personal against you. I apologize if I'm acting unfairly. I didn't think I was. I'm just upset by the negativity.

With all due respect , if your synth has the exact same number of algoritms as the dx7 ,it's no surprise that certain people will compare it to dexed .
I think Aurora sounds fantastic , but you might as well make the operator routing totally user adjustable , so people will not compare it to a dx7/dexed
Keep up the good work

crickey13 · Post by **crickey13** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:25 am

RyFi wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:59 am Argh, don't worry about it. I'm just getting annoyed that I'm pouring tons of work into my synth while simultaneously in this thread there are fresh instances of someone comparing it unfavourably to Dexed, complaining about the GUI, asking for time-consuming features that very few people want, and pointing out something it's doing wrong. It's exhausting. Sorry, it's nothing personal against you. I apologize if I'm acting unfairly. I didn't think I was. I'm just upset by the negativity.

Dude, no one is bashing you and if they are, then that says more about them than about your product. It's a one-man project, so of course it's a ton of work. Just say implementation of some features is simply unfeasible at this early stage of development and move on, don't fret about it, life's too short. If my questions upset you, then I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. Just genuinely interested in the development, it's always nice to see new FM synths, that's why I'm just interested in how the project is gonna evolve later down the road.

However, you also must be prepared for the negative feedback from naysayers or disappointed users, it's inevitable the instant your project grows popular and big enough, don't let it get to you. Even if your synth was absolutely perfect in every conceivable way, people would still probably bash it anyway, it's just the way it goes. Just listen to our suggestions and implement things you think are feasible to implement, simple as. Nobody is forcing you to do anything, just some friendly suggestions and asking questions.

satchnut · Post by **satchnut** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:47 am

RyFi wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:59 am Argh, don't worry about it. I'm just getting annoyed that I'm pouring tons of work into my synth while simultaneously in this thread there are fresh instances of someone comparing it unfavourably to Dexed, complaining about the GUI, asking for time-consuming features that very few people want, and pointing out something it's doing wrong. It's exhausting. Sorry, it's nothing personal against you. I apologize if I'm acting unfairly. I didn't think I was. I'm just upset by the negativity.

Well I’m sorry that you see my taking interest in this project and answering a fair question as negativity and complaining. You’re getting worked-up over nothing, IMHO. If you expect everyone to look at your synth in as pure a light as you yourself see it, maybe it isn’t ready for the stage. If the reaction I just received is any indication of how you feel about the typical window-shopping Joe passing through the forums, I can see why you would think almost all your synth ever receives is negativity. Almost nobody here is a disciple or a hater, so it’s probably self-sabotaging to pigeonhole FM enthusiasts and potential customers that way.

Anyway, I’ll stop here as I’m not interested in this topic anymore. I just like FM synths.

jbraner · Post by **jbraner** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:53 am

RyFi wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:59 am Argh, don't worry about it. I'm just getting annoyed that I'm pouring tons of work into my synth while simultaneously in this thread there are fresh instances of someone comparing it unfavourably to Dexed, complaining about the GUI, asking for time-consuming features that very few people want, and pointing out something it's doing wrong. It's exhausting. Sorry, it's nothing personal against you. I apologize if I'm acting unfairly. I didn't think I was. I'm just upset by the negativity.

I reckon most users are just enjoying the synth and not posting anything here - they are the majority!

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:26 am

Great stuff RyFi! I might buy Aurora but i always tell myself i have enough synths, when the answer is, you can never have enough synths.

RyFi · Post by **RyFi** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:19 pm

crickey13 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:25 am If my questions upset you, then I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. Just genuinely interested in the development, it's always nice to see new FM synths, that's why I'm just interested in how the project is gonna evolve later down the road.

No no, they didn't! I'm not upset at all by you inquiring about the micro-tuning my synth supports and asking what, if any, are my plans for expanding that. That would be ridiculous! I regret that I've made the perception of implying that. Sorry. I appreciate you asking and am happy to have a discussion around it!

My frustration is mine alone, that of how time-consuming programming is and how prohibitive it is to add all of the features that I'd like to add because some person out there would benefit from it, which I'd love to do, but reality dictates is nearly impossible. It's a lamentation, that's all. That's the "negativity" of this kind of discussion that I was referring to, where I have to give someone an unsatisfactory answer even though I wish I could give a favorable answer and add the thing that they want.

crickey13 · Post by **crickey13** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:38 pm

All right, now I get it. Let's just focus on the synth and forget about the whole thing.

RyFi · Post by **RyFi** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:43 pm

satchnut wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:47 am

satchnut, I'm failing at condensing the necessary words into a proper explanation or response. Instead, please just accept my apology. Sorry. I never had any specific ill will towards you, and you certainly didn't do or say anything that I can fault you for. Sorry for the negativity that somehow got fostered here despite that being the last thing I wanted. Thank you for the interest.

biscuitdough · Post by **biscuitdough** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:23 pm

Honestly I would look at what people say on forums as more of a general, survey like thing, and ignore the specifics unless it's about a bug or something else technical. You're going to get a lot of implausible requests and if you engage, you're going to get a lot of hurt feelings from back seat developers.

If you just tally up all the feature requests you'll probably find that "exact DX7 emulation" accounts for very few of them.

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:47 pm

RyFi, I’ve read through most of this thread. I’m def going to pick this up - I’m buying this as a product of your hard work; seeing this as an extension of you: your interest in FM combined with your likes/dislikes.

Your labor of love: both as an artistic achievement; and as a viable synth tool - that’s my viewpoint.

Ok, here’s the ONLY suggestion that I would make about it - and this comes from the background of being a DX7/DX7IIFD/TX816/TX802 owner (all excellent) from way back; first kid on my block to adopt FM, etc. etc.

Blow the modulator/carrier choices up: give Aurora hundreds if not a thousand choices in addition to what you have in it; and keep it all personal choice - ie: put in the content that you want to put into it. I’d personally rather that you make it about your preferences. Im not kidding.

When Dr. Wolfgang Palm released his PPG Wave: it had his choice of wavetables in it; and it’s an icon.

don_sook · Post by **don_sook** » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:23 pm

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but will there be any updates in the future allowing the user to import their own samples into the 6 operators?

Aurora FM - New Win(32/64) VSTi FM synthesizer - Introductory pricing