ProTools 6.7 out now for $75

[neverwhere2012]

how does Pro Tools Le compare to Sonar or Cubase SX?

I currently use FL Studio but was wondering what is so good about pro tools????

I make hip hop music and always hear how good pro tools is, however, it is so expensive and needs the hardware.

how does Le rank compared to the other major hosts?

depends on what your needs are. pro tools LE doesn't really rank at all with any of the major hosts (i.e. cubase, nuendo, sonar, logic) as far as overall features go. it has a 32 track limit, barebones midi features and a lot of "power user" (i hate that term) features that have been stripped away. i suppose with 6.7 it'll actually be not nearly as limited as previous versions, i think digi is starting to realize that they need to offer something closer to the lines of what HD/TDM users have available to them to compete in a native market, but it's still very limited compared to a full-featured host like Sonar 4.

however, if you are doing a lot of audio editing/recording/arranging, pro tools work pretty smoothly. it has some of the best/simplest audio editing available and it's pretty streamlined as far as starting a new song/session and getting it up and running on the spot. it's really, in a lot of ways, software designed from an engineering standpoint, where it's not meant to be this platform for composition and creation of ideas, but more for an engineer to sit down and be able to just get straight to making a solid mix.

like everything else, it really depends on your uses and needs, your mileage will vary. i honestly really do like pro tools software for mixing with, i just can't stand the LE hardware. very cheaply made, poor quality converters and preamps (with exception to the mbox and it's focusrite pre's). the 002/002rack have a very cheap vibe to them with their plastic construction, and seem much more like toys than professional audio hardware. although, with v6.7 being so much more full featured, the price of admission for pro tools is looking a little more reasonable... still in the end, you're going to pay quite a bit more for a smaller variety of plugins that don't necessarily sound as good as many VST/AU on the market made by smaller devs.

[ahja]

Hi Mully


your ProTools box... does it work ok with your other sequencer?


I need to get PT .. am thinking about the 002

but i love Logic and would still like to carry on using it for all my midi orchestrations..

if Logic will work fine on 002 ... or the Mbox

i'll get one

Yeh, It'll work. LE comes with an ASIO driver, so just load that up and you're in business. Works pretty solid to.

[multree]

Hi Mully


your ProTools box... does it work ok with your other sequencer?


I need to get PT .. am thinking about the 002

but i love Logic and would still like to carry on using it for all my midi orchestrations..

if Logic will work fine on 002 ... or the Mbox

i'll get one

Yeh, It'll work. LE comes with an ASIO driver, so just load that up and you're in business. Works pretty solid to.

hey fitchy

sorry for the late answer - but yeah it works very good with Tracktion & FL, too....

cheers,
mully

[illsub1]

Too bad the ASIO and core audio drivers both suck!!! Especially core audio. I can't get latencies under 512 samples w/out crackles. Hopefully M-Audio will straighten their asses out. I think they are getting out of the LE line completely with that acquisition. They have pissed off a lot of HD clients and Nashville now is a Nuendo town. Plus the only thing they made that was solid was the 001. The power supply on the 002 WILL GO OUT ON YOU. Even the $60,000 Icon is a piece of shite. I'm sorry to bash Digi but they deserve it for their lack of tech support, poor build quality, and come on to charge me $495 for friggin Digitranslator that doesn't even work. Also charging me for MP3 import and export you really have to be kidding me. Just please don't destroy M-Audio too.

[fitch]

mmmm... good and bad..


some say solid, others.. less so

illsub1 so..002 is plasticy but will work with core audio drivers.. but with crackles..

this is not good .... I was originally thinking of a RMEFireface with my Logic OSX and getting a new G5 .. but the games studio i'm working with wants me to get a PT.. even MBox setup.. for ease of transfer..

i'm not going to shell twice for audio interfaces..that'd be a bummer

i suppose Mbox is cheap enough to take the risk.. although it's USB



Mully , you're not getting crackles on MBox?.. are you PC or Mac as well?


Thanks for info ..

[ahja]

Well, I'm not 'mully'. But since I'm sitting right here...

No crackles.

I think illsub1 is just bitter... Cause Digi is obviously known for their customer support, and that's why they have made such success in the audio business. Honestly, Protools isn't an ASIO platform... We all know that. They were just kind enough to give out a stable ASIO driver along with their hardware so it could be used in other hosts.

I'm not a huge fan of Digi, myself. But ya gotta give credit where credit is due.

PC based, at home, but work with mac on regular basis.

[neverwhere2012]

I think illsub1 is just bitter... Cause Digi is obviously known for their customer support, and that's why they have made such success in the audio business.

not sure where you heard that from. i've never heard or experienced anything positive about digi customer support. in fact, the 2 guys at my school that run the recording program have had to make things happen with digi NUMEROUS times by writing very nasty letters to them after months of getting the run-around from their customer service. both on issues relating to the school's system and their own personal pro tools rigs, and more times than not, even this wouldn't fix anything.

[illsub1]

Definately Digi has left a bitter taste in my mouth. I have extensive experience and am a proud 001 owner. Once king of the hill they have rested on the laurels of their name for too long, the truth needs to be told.

I set up and fix DAWs for a living and I have yet to come across a problem free PT rig. I have recorded numerous albums in PT but the other companies are actually improving products instead of cheapening them.

A little tidbit from an insider. Digi did this because their high end users were mad that the 001 was so good. There is even code written that allows 001s to be chained together. I haven't seen this personally but my source is valid.

I have in my career witnessed MANY 002s and MBoxes go down and need repair. And I GUARANTEE you will get much lower latencies using RME, M-Audio, MOTU, or whatever so SAVE YOUR MONEY AND DON'T BELEIVE THE HYPE. In my times as a salesperson most people think they need Pro Tools but it simply is not true except if you NEED cross compatability. I know that when I switched I was as happy with the new stability as I am with the stability of XP compared to 98. Which is very much.

We live in 2004 and they limt us to 32 tracks. Think about it...

Don't be duped. We already have been in this so called democracy. We really live in a dictatorship and there is plenty of proof of that.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no ... efraud.htm
www.infowars.com

[multree]

well I use it on my PC Laptop and it runs pretty good no crackles... though sometimes I need to restart the drivers but then it works great again....

[wikter]

ProTools is the best multitrack recorder/player I've used, but i think it's not the best engine for music production with Virtualinstruments/midi/virtualeffects...
so why update?
?

[ahja]

I think illsub1 is just bitter... Cause Digi is obviously known for their customer support, and that's why they have made such success in the audio business.

not sure where you heard that from. i've never heard or experienced anything positive about digi customer support. in fact, the 2 guys at my school that run the recording program have had to make things happen with digi NUMEROUS times by writing very nasty letters to them after months of getting the run-around from their customer service. both on issues relating to the school's system and their own personal pro tools rigs, and more times than not, even this wouldn't fix anything.

The reason I say this is because they always listen to the customer base, for improving the Pro Tools platform. Not only that, but they even have Service tech's accross the world that are certified Protools folk. If you gotta a problem these people come to you, no other platform offers that. Like I said, I'm not a huge fan of Digidesign, but they know what they are doing, and will continue to run the Pro market for some time. I've phoned Digi a few times and i'm always able to comunicate and receive informative answers and rarely put on hold.

LE is suppose to be a tease. It gives users a chance to experience Protools before dishing out thousands of dollars on a TDM system. Everyone knows it's 32 tracks, and that's also why the bundle it FREE with a decent hardware box for 400 bucks. LE is definetly workable...

But, once again, I need to state this... I'm NOT a digidesign fan. It's just all common sense.