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thelizard · Post by **thelizard** » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:38 pm

If you don't mind typing (and you have a Mac), OpusModus might be what you're looking for: https://opusmodus.com/

You give it a melodic phrase and can apply as many transformations as you please.

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:36 am

Michael L wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:34 am
tonedef71 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:39 amPizzicato Professional has the ability to do all of those transformations and so much more.
Yes, it's a truly phenomenal program! I demoed it in 2014 but found the UI too 'bitmappy.' Dominique has been promising to refactor Pizzicato....

I think Dominique has already refactored Pizzicato's processing engine as a set of custom libraries. For Pizzicato, he wants to utilize a more recent UI library and also add VST(i) plugin support. If all goes well, Pizzicato 4 could be released as early as June 2021.

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:17 am

bharris22 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:59 pm
tonedef71 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:39 am Pizzicato Professional has the ability to do all of those transformations and so much more. While the UI is out of the late 1990's, the software is very powerful and feature-rich.
I see from your signature that you also have RapidComposer. How would you compare this with Pizzicato?

Goodness! I have so many software-assisted music composition tools; it is getting harder and harder to stay current with all of them now.

Rapid Composer 4 is a powerful music prototyping tool that uses an approach which is like a MIDI sequencer fortified by a slew of creative MIDI FX (generators, variations, etc.). Rapid Composer can host VST plugins, and the professional version includes an Idea Generation tool for generating a scratch composition which you can tweak and enhance iteratively.

Although Pizzicato has a sequencer view and an arranger view, the approach it follows is mostly notation based (similar to Finale). Instead of individual instrument sequencer tracks, you have individual instrument scores that are combined to form the full conductor score. The professional version can display music in alternate notation and has tools for composing counterpoint. Pizzicato only supports playback via MIDI.

Both Pizzicato and Rapid Composer have a bit of a learning curve. Rapid Composer 4 has a new user manual, but tends to lag behind the frequent improvements and update to the software; there are customer created instructional videos on YouTube. Pizzicato has an extensive online user manual and some video tutorials on the web site as well. Pizzicato can be used to create printable scores and export MusicXML. Both tools have extensive support for chords and scales and can create chord progressions; Rapid Composer has the better UI.

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:20 am

thelizard wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:38 pm If you don't mind typing (and you have a Mac), OpusModus might be what you're looking for: https://opusmodus.com/

You give it a melodic phrase and can apply as many transformations as you please.

As a software engineer, Opusmodus looks very intriguing to me. I need to check this one out, too. Thanks for sharing!

EDIT: A bit too pricey for me.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:24 am

If you want to dive deep, there is the bachproject for Max.
http://bachproject.net
That means the DAW which could host it would be Live via M4L. I think there are some devices out there already...
Its hard to learn, as all is based an linked lists, a concept from Lisp. But they did it for a reason, its extremely powerful...

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:55 pm

Tj Shredder wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:24 amIf you want to dive deep, there is the bachproject for Max. http://bachproject.net
That means the DAW which could host it would be Live via M4L.

Thank you. I had a quick look in Max. Quite versatile, with detailed tutorials! I don't see any M4L devices in the Library, tho.

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:53 pm

It would not be part of that library, I just speculated that someone might have done a device. As its Max, you could build your own...
I know that Prof. Georg Hajdu created devices based on his MaxScore library something like ten years ago, but can‘t find the link...

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:07 pm

tonedef71 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:17 am
bharris22 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:59 pm
tonedef71 wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:39 am Pizzicato Professional has the ability to do all of those transformations and so much more. While the UI is out of the late 1990's, the software is very powerful and feature-rich.
I see from your signature that you also have RapidComposer. How would you compare this with Pizzicato?
Goodness! I have so many software-assisted music composition tools; it is getting harder and harder to stay current with all of them now.

Rapid Composer 4 is a powerful music prototyping tool that uses an approach which is like a MIDI sequencer fortified by a slew of creative MIDI FX (generators, variations, etc.). Rapid Composer can host VST plugins, and the professional version includes an Idea Generation tool for generating a scratch composition which you can tweak and enhance iteratively.

Although Pizzicato has a sequencer view and an arranger view, the approach it follows is mostly notation based (similar to Finale). Instead of individual instrument sequencer tracks, you have individual instrument scores that are combined to form the full conductor score. The professional version can display music in alternate notation and has tools for composing counterpoint. Pizzicato only supports playback via MIDI.

Both Pizzicato and Rapid Composer have a bit of a learning curve. Rapid Composer 4 has a new user manual, but tends to lag behind the frequent improvements and update to the software; there are customer created instructional videos on YouTube. Pizzicato has an extensive online user manual and some video tutorials on the web site as well. Pizzicato can be used to create printable scores and export MusicXML. Both tools have extensive support for chords and scales and can create chord progressions; Rapid Composer has the better UI.

Thank you very much!

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:45 pm

Tj Shredder wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:53 pmI know that Prof. Georg Hajdu created devices based on his MaxScore library something like ten years ago, but can‘t find the link...

Hajdu's device was LiveScore. Here is one of his compositions:

LiveScore is now MaxScore and actively maintained:
http://www.computermusicnotation.com

I also found these demos for bach & cage:
https://tutschku.com/using-max-bach-and-max-cage/

David Hirst also uses bach, makes related M4L devices and publishes a lot of papers on computer-assisted composition:
https://davidhirst.me/software/

This thread started with a simple way to transform midi, and ended up in a vast subculture

DAW for Fugues?