Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[v1o]

I keep hearing that Reason lacks features. Compared to arguably the most popular DAW on the market Ableton Live I'm not sure that's true. Ableton has a much more basic midi editor. Ableton doesn't even have a built in pitch editor for vocals. I actually prefer the pitch editor in Reason to Melodyne, I get much less weird artefacts from it. Comping audio is a brand new feature in Live 11, Reason has had that for years already. Reason also had Europa (wavetable synth) long before Ableton had Wavetable. Reason was also doing the whole modular thing, where anything can modulate anything, long before Bitwig was on the scene.

[k-tronix]

I keep hearing that Reason lacks features. Compared to arguably the most popular DAW on the market Ableton Live I'm not sure that's true. Ableton has a much more basic midi editor. Ableton doesn't even have a built in pitch editor for vocals. I actually prefer the pitch editor in Reason to Melodyne, I get much less weird artefacts from it. Comping audio is a brand new feature in Live 11, Reason has had that for years already. Reason also had Europa (wavetable synth) long before Ableton had Wavetable. Reason was also doing the whole modular thing, where anything can modulate anything, long before Bitwig was on the scene.

Live is not a conventional DAW—it’s intended for live performance. From what I understand, some features are not important or challenging to implement and maintain low-latency.

[ReleaseCandidate]

I keep hearing that Reason lacks features. Compared to arguably the most popular DAW on the market Ableton Live I'm not sure that's true.

Reason doesn't have a clip launcher, which is the most important feature of Live.
But with Live you can use a VST to get the main selling point of Reason. It's called Rack plugin or so...

[antic604]

I keep hearing that Reason lacks features. Compared to arguably the most popular DAW on the market Ableton Live I'm not sure that's true.

Reason doesn't have a clip launcher, which is the most important feature of Live.
But with Live you can use a VST to get the main selling point of Reason. It's called Rack plugin or so...

On of. There's a lot of great features about Reason that you can't get in RRP or Live itself: pitch editor, pattern tracks, blocks mode, automation clips, actual proper mixer.

Let's not make it Live vs. Reason. They're both great. It's just that some people find one or the other (or another one altogether) fitting their needs better

[ReleaseCandidate]

I keep hearing that Reason lacks features. Compared to arguably the most popular DAW on the market Ableton Live I'm not sure that's true.

Reason doesn't have a clip launcher, which is the most important feature of Live.
But with Live you can use a VST to get the main selling point of Reason. It's called Rack plugin or so...

On of. There's a lot of great features about Reason that you can't get in RRP or Live itself: pitch editor, pattern tracks, blocks mode, automation clips, actual proper mixer

Yes, of course. Doesn't change the fact that the main selling point of Reason is the Rack (that's what they started with) and that of Live is the clip launcher. Even if there are other features and somebody don't use them at all, just generally speaking are these the defining features of both programs. Reason without the Rack is just another DAW same as Live without the clip launcher.

[Biome_Digital]

I see Reason like a rack of instruments. The DAW/Sequencer side needs improvements which I am sure they are working on. The big GUI update will be a massive improvement, I hope. Some of Reasons instruments are excellent. Using them in the RRP actually works well.

[v1o]

I keep hearing that Reason lacks features. Compared to arguably the most popular DAW on the market Ableton Live I'm not sure that's true. Ableton has a much more basic midi editor. Ableton doesn't even have a built in pitch editor for vocals. I actually prefer the pitch editor in Reason to Melodyne, I get much less weird artefacts from it. Comping audio is a brand new feature in Live 11, Reason has had that for years already. Reason also had Europa (wavetable synth) long before Ableton had Wavetable. Reason was also doing the whole modular thing, where anything can modulate anything, long before Bitwig was on the scene.

Live is not a conventional DAW—it’s intended for live performance. From what I understand, some features are not important or challenging to implement and maintain low-latency.

Reason is not a conventional DAW like for example Samplitude. That's what everyone is forgetting.

[whannel]

Only took on Suite from Lite since they introduced rack as VST recently, expected it to continue, hopefully they don't give up on us.

Can't help but think they should offer hi-res as a free 11.5 update, to show they know they've got this announcement far wrong, to keep unhappy users on.

If + has the old Rebirth forum within the software including mixtapes and charts and a 303 with .rbs support it'd be another step back in the right direction.

To see them change to offer VST after the takeover was good, having previously said they never would. I still hold out hope all instruments and FX will be available as VST without the rack, this would keep me paying for a v12, but never a sub.

In the meantime I'm waiting to see what Image Line are due to announce including new VSTs.

Strange time to play silly buggers.

[antic604]

On ReasonTalk I've made an analogy for Reason+:

Say, you have a 5 years old VW sedan - it's fine, gets the job done. You order a taxi to make some errands for the day and it turns out it's a super hot girl (or guy or whatever) in a Lamborgini. She/he/it takes you where you want to do what you need, you can have a nice conversation with the driver, take comfort of beautiful interior and leather seats, enjoy the breathtaking acceleration, cornering & engine roar, don't have to worry about the servicing, gas or insurance, etc. But by the end of the day, once your money have run out, you're stuck with your faithful VW and memories of a different, more exciting and better life

The hard part though is this - ask anyone on their death bed what they value most in their life and it will inevitably be about what how they made a their own, family's and community's life better, who they've met and formed relationship with, what they've experienced and witnessed. Not what they have in their garage or how much money they have in a bank...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the choice (and opinion) is not black & white and therefore is very personal. Some value the good-old VW in their own garage, others want a few hours ride with a supermodel in Lamborghini. If by the end both feel satisfied with their life, who am I to judge their choice?

[D-Fusion]

Only took on Suite from Lite since they introduced rack as VST recently, expected it to continue, hopefully they don't give up on us.

Can't help but think they should offer hi-res as a free 11.5 update, to show they know they've got this announcement far wrong, to keep unhappy users on.

If + has the old Rebirth forum within the software including mixtapes and charts and a 303 with .rbs support it'd be another step back in the right direction.

To see them change to offer VST after the takeover was good, having previously said they never would. I still hold out hope all instruments and FX will be available as VST without the rack, this would keep me paying for a v12, but never a sub.

In the meantime I'm waiting to see what Image Line are due to announce including new VSTs.

Strange time to play silly buggers.

I wouldn't trust them enough to get the vst versions if they where released outside of the Rack.
Look how quick they where to Kill the vst version of Europa that they hyped up so much.

[Benutzername]

Say, you have a 5 years old VW sedan - it's fine, gets the job done. You order a taxi to make some errands for the day and it turns out it's a super hot girl (or guy or whatever) in a Lamborgini. She/he/it takes you where you want to do what you need, you can have a nice conversation with the driver, take comfort of beautiful interior and leather seats, enjoy the breathtaking acceleration, cornering & engine roar, don't have to worry about the servicing, gas or insurance, etc. But by the end of the day, once your money have run out, you're stuck with your faithful VW and memories of a different, more exciting and better life

But if your internet connection has a hiccup then the nice girl will just spit in your face if you call her and all you'll ever get is her raised middle finger instead of a nice ride. And if her mom decides that she doesn't like you anymore and forbids her to take you out or if Lamborghini goes out of business then you are totally screwed. You stand in front of all the nice things that you have paid a shitload of money for but you are not allowed to touch them if even if you wanted to. The old Sedan won't help you here because so old that the police will instantly withdraw it as soon as you hit a modern road with it.

Exactly this happened to a friend of mine. An algorithm somewhere in the Amazon cloud decided that his account was suspicious in a certain way so it blocked the entire account without a warning. From one day to another he was not able to buy anything on Amazon anymore, his cloud storage was gone, all Kindle content was blocked as well as his Prime music and video libraries. Even his Amazon VISA card was not working anymore. It was not his fault at all but it still took him weeks to get up and running again.

You can find similar stories with Adobe and Microsoft accounts and this is the point where it really starts to get hairy. If the software that you desperately need to get a job done instantly stops working without a warning then this could get existence endangering for small companies very fast. Many people have a bad feeling in the guts if they know that a tool supplier can shut down their company with just a mouse click at any time if he likes (or his government/president says so). This is especially true if the supplier is driven by some sort of hedge fond, that usually only support a business until it makes some profit and then throws it away without looking back.

Now I don't need Reason to pay for my rent but I still don't want to invest a lot of money in the system just to see everything fall in the bin if/when RS goes belly up. If I have a license key/file or a dongle then I can at least install a software on an old computer if I need to. Even most CR systems will have a fallback of some sort that sends out fixed keys if a company goes out of business (at least in theory). I highly doubt that RS will give every $20 tenant a full license of Reason 12 with all their REs in case they close the doors. So everything that you've done in Reason Rent Edition will be gone forever and there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it even if it's not your fault.

[ReleaseCandidate]

Exactly this happened to a friend of mine.

Ask the Venezuelans how they feel about the need of online authorization at an US server (that's not only Adobe that has to do that)

Executive Order 13884, issued by the U.S. Government, severely limits U.S. companies who do business in Venezuela. In order to remain compliant with this it, Adobe had to suspend the accounts of their users in this country. And so far, it doesn’t look good.

First of all, if you paid for your CC account, I am sorry – you won’t get a refund. “Executive order 13884, orders the cessation of all activity with the entities including no sales, service, support, refunds, credits, etc.” Adobe explains on its Help page. Because of this, the company is not able to issue any refunds while the sanctions last.

https://www.diyphotography.net/adobe-ha ... ial-order/

[electronic115]

about subscription, I prefer to have perpetual software

[antic604]

But if your internet connection has a hiccup then the nice girl will just spit in your face...

Sure.

With that attitude just go to the woods, dig a hole and bury yourself there.
This way you'll have full control of when & how you die, perfectly happy and (spit) free

[Kypresso]

But if your internet connection has a hiccup then the nice girl will just spit in your face...

Sure.

With that attitude just go to the woods, dig a hole and bury yourself there.
This way you'll have full control of when & how you die, perfectly happy and (spit) free

No ones talking about dying but about how to live happily. You get very weird sometimes, go outside, take a break from the internet and chill out for a while.