Reason+ = subscription model (20€ month)

[imrae]

If your plan was to purchase a perpetual version of Reason then nothing has changed. Reason+ and Reason are different.

Now you're gonna confuse the poor guy

Just in case - they're different ways to access the exact same DAW, with added bundle of optional REs in case od Reason+. I feel like nowadays you have to word stuff as if you're talking to a 3 year old, because people don't think, just assume the most negative scenario they can parse from otherwise neutral text...

I don't think this is quite accurate actually. Currently, Reason+ doesn't support third-party Rack Extensions from the store.

I know they say that they will fix this, and probably will. But it clearly establishes that there can be differences in functionality between the versions.

[antic604]

If your plan was to purchase a perpetual version of Reason then nothing has changed. Reason+ and Reason are different.

Now you're gonna confuse the poor guy

Just in case - they're different ways to access the exact same DAW, with added bundle of optional REs in case od Reason+. I feel like nowadays you have to word stuff as if you're talking to a 3 year old, because people don't think, just assume the most negative scenario they can parse from otherwise neutral text...

I don't think this is quite accurate actually. Currently, Reason+ doesn't support third-party Rack Extensions from the store.

I know they say that they will fix this, and probably will. But it clearly establishes that there can be differences in functionality between the versions.

Actually it is accurate. Reason DAW is the same, it's just that the Companion app that replaces Authorizer in Reason+ doesn't see 3rd party RE licenses yet. When you disable it and enable the Authorizer back, they still work.

So technically, I'm not wrong

[gentleclockdivider]

The "included DAW" is crippled with an inefficient browser and wonky sequencer and missing many features that other DAWs have.

Traditionally Reason lacked audio, it was pure midi, audio tracks were added much much later at the request of users but the intention was never to replace a traditional linear DAW.

That is cherry coating it .
Reason only had internal instrument tracks , midi out was way later in the game
The only reason ( no pun intended ) why Reason got audio tracks is because Propellerheads Record was a commercial failure from the get go so they merged the two programs .

[antic604]

The only reason ( no pun intended ) why Reason got audio tracks is because Propellerheads Record was a commercial failure from the get go so they merged the two programs .

You cannot really fault them for trying to sell you separately features that other DAWs offered in one solution

I wasn't around then (KvR, DAWs & Reason specifically) but I really wonder how the announcement of Record was received by the public? That must've been pretty weird move, much more so than adding a subscription option nowadays...

[Nerdcore]

Too bad they didn’t make this clear during the livestream—they certainly had enough time.

They made it clear from the start.

There are 2 ways of getting Reason now:

• perpetual, i.e. traditional way: you buy Reason upgrades when they're out (that will include new features, some new devices and new sound content), you buy REs and refills; you "own" all of it forever
• "+" subscription: you pay $/EUR/GBP20 / month and you always get the newest Reason version + all Reason Studios' REs (maybe some 3rd party REs, too) + weekly soundpacks; you can obviously buy 3rd party REs, too. When you stop paying, you only keep access to stuff you bought in a perpetual/traditional way, which includes 11 Suite extra devices

It's really simple.

It’s so simple they literally hid buying a perpetual license on their home page.

[JonSolo]

From today's email from Reason Studios...supposed answers to our questions:

Q: I just started my subscription. Why doesn’t all Reason+ Rack Extensions show up? I can only see the ones I already own.

A: This might be because you have authorized Reason and your Rack Extensions to your computer, for off-line use. Since Reason+ requires on-line authorization, you have to set up your computer for this. Here is how you can do that.

So for those thinking this is soooo great...you must be online to use the subscription. My DAW stays offline...imagine recording a big track with a deadline for a client and some update hits...or email comes through and interrupts your recording. No way.

This deal just keeps getting worse.

[midi_transmission]

online as requirement is a very dangerous trend.

can't say it enough, support developers that don't create hassle. there are many of them out there and I'm so happy to have them. I don't want to think about how it would be when all DAWs and plugins had subscription and intrusive copy protection.

would probably switch to hardware only...

[Kr3eM]

online as requirement is a very dangerous trend.

But it's a very good cure for GAS

[Cancel Culture Club]

online as requirement is a very dangerous trend.

But it's a very good cure for GAS

Until that pesky ol' GAS bug wants to bite you again for yet another software subscription, and so on...

[Kr3eM]

Until that pesky ol' GAS bug wants to bite you again for yet another software subscription, and so on...

As if I would even consider that being an option

Screenshot from 2021-02-06 02-08-45.png

Me laughing in a world where paying for a software subscription service is non existent

[apoclypse]

The only reason ( no pun intended ) why Reason got audio tracks is because Propellerheads Record was a commercial failure from the get go so they merged the two programs .

You cannot really fault them for trying to sell you separately features that other DAWs offered in one solution

I wasn't around then (KvR, DAWs & Reason specifically) but I really wonder how the announcement of Record was received by the public? That must've been pretty weird move, much more so than adding a subscription option nowadays...

I actually bought Record 1.5, At the time I liked it but typical Props they announced Reason 6 shortly after. They knew they messed up because they had a name your own price promotion for Record users. I paid 20 bucks for Reason 6.

Record wasn’t that weird it felt long over due. It had some cool features like takes, Line 6 amp emulation, auto tune like tool. The SSL emulation on the mixer was interesting at the time as well. It was a good product.

What was weird to everyone was the ignition key dongle and their authentication scheme. It’s like they acknowledged that everyone had pirated Reason and instead of addressing it in a more user friendly manner like FLStudio, went the complete opposite direction. As a paying customer it was annoying to deal with and still is compared to other software.

[antic604]

The only reason ( no pun intended ) why Reason got audio tracks is because Propellerheads Record was a commercial failure from the get go so they merged the two programs .

You cannot really fault them for trying to sell you separately features that other DAWs offered in one solution

I wasn't around then (KvR, DAWs & Reason specifically) but I really wonder how the announcement of Record was received by the public? That must've been pretty weird move, much more so than adding a subscription option nowadays...

I actually bought Record 1.5, At the time I liked it but typical Props they announced Reason 6 shortly after. They knew they messed up because they had a name your own price promotion for Record users. I paid 20 bucks for Reason 6.

Record wasn’t that weird it felt long over due. It had some cool features like takes, Line 6 amp emulation, auto tune like tool. The SSL emulation on the mixer was interesting at the time as well. It was a good product.

What was weird to everyone was the ignition key dongle and their authentication scheme. It’s like they acknowledged that everyone had pirated Reason and instead of addressing it in a more user friendly manner like FLStudio, went the complete opposite direction. As a paying customer it was annoying to deal with and still is compared to other software.

Oh, right! I never connected the dots that it was around Reason 5, which is the last one that's "free". I really have to dig into the forums on of those days and do some reading about it

[midi_transmission]

online as requirement is a very dangerous trend.

But it's a very good cure for GAS

Until that pesky ol' GAS bug wants to bite you again for yet another software subscription, and so on...

Yeah there is no way to cure GAS... besides finishing tracks

[Cancel Culture Club]

Until that pesky ol' GAS bug wants to bite you again for yet another software subscription, and so on...

As if I would even consider that being an option
Screenshot from 2021-02-06 02-08-45.pngMe laughing in a world where paying for a software subscription service is non existent

It would be a tough choice for some people to decide whether to keep the lights on or keep their software updated. I guess it all depends on a person's individual choice to pay utilities that keep them alive verses having a currently updated piece of entertainment software that is being streamed to them as a hobby.

There are some tough life choices when times get rough. I guess they could already have a fully paid for DAW they could continue working with, until the lights come back on, but that would be unimaginable for someone who owns nothing but digital receipts and a time limited product.

I guess if budgets never get tight, while new financial burdens never arise and your constant stream of expendable cash keeps pour in, then you're completely safe from anything that might happen in the future. Let's just hope there's nothing like a pandemic that ever gets out, because it would totally mess with everybody's priorities.

[qubozik]

The only reason ( no pun intended ) why Reason got audio tracks is because Propellerheads Record was a commercial failure from the get go so they merged the two programs .

You cannot really fault them for trying to sell you separately features that other DAWs offered in one solution

I wasn't around then (KvR, DAWs & Reason specifically) but I really wonder how the announcement of Record was received by the public? That must've been pretty weird move, much more so than adding a subscription option nowadays...

I actually bought Record 1.5, At the time I liked it but typical Props they announced Reason 6 shortly after. They knew they messed up because they had a name your own price promotion for Record users. I paid 20 bucks for Reason 6.

Record wasn’t that weird it felt long over due. It had some cool features like takes, Line 6 amp emulation, auto tune like tool. The SSL emulation on the mixer was interesting at the time as well. It was a good product.

What was weird to everyone was the ignition key dongle and their authentication scheme. It’s like they acknowledged that everyone had pirated Reason and instead of addressing it in a more user friendly manner like FLStudio, went the complete opposite direction. As a paying customer it was annoying to deal with and still is compared to other software.

I still have the USB hardware and it only works in Windows now But, I still use it there.

I purchased Reason Essentials way back in the day which included it.

I, too, really liked the Record side of the house back then. That what got me into Reason to begin with. Before that, I was using Cakewalk.