Can it do resynthesis of samples? If so, I should check it out.
Best resynthesis instrument?
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ChamomileShark ChamomileShark https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=25116
- KVRAF
- 2834 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK
Arturia's Synclavier II does resynthesis - I've had some good results but mainly bad ones - not really sure why.
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- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
You have to carefully define the nodes after the analysis (how many and where are they placed). It's not a set-and-go process. You can get very good results, but it takes time and work (and knowledge about the audio).ChamomileShark wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:56 am Arturia's Synclavier II does resynthesis - I've had some good results but mainly bad ones - not really sure why.
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ChamomileShark ChamomileShark https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=25116
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- 2834 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK
yes, I'd read that. I found a post by someone who had done some vocal resynthesis on the original hardware as well as the software and he shared tips re node placement and using the auto-tune.
Curiously I think I got good results myself on a vocal phrase and I think it was a sample of a Santur. Bad results with a gong. Maybe that's down to all the inharmonics? But I thought there was something else that failed - can't remember now. The hardware Synclavier resynthesis disks show it can be done though! (they are available for import to Synclavier V on FB from Cameron Jones).
Curiously I think I got good results myself on a vocal phrase and I think it was a sample of a Santur. Bad results with a gong. Maybe that's down to all the inharmonics? But I thought there was something else that failed - can't remember now. The hardware Synclavier resynthesis disks show it can be done though! (they are available for import to Synclavier V on FB from Cameron Jones).
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- KVRAF
- 2120 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Saint Germain en Laye, France
- KVRAF
- 2120 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Saint Germain en Laye, France
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- KVRist
- 111 posts since 22 Aug, 2005
For what its worth, if you still have it laying around on your shelf, Cakewalk's Rapture Does a very nice resynthesis of samples, and yes, Harmor is still a favorite as well.
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- KVRist
- 33 posts since 16 Jan, 2006
How many kinds of resynthesis are there- granular, wavetable, additive, spectral? what are their differences? What are they most useful for?
I seem to remember years back a kind of holy grail of resynthesis being to be able to eg enter a just a few (piano, vocal, flute, etc) samples of an instrument at a few different velocities and pitches and interpolate between them so as to create a realistic playable instrument? Has any progress been made here?
I seem to remember years back a kind of holy grail of resynthesis being to be able to eg enter a just a few (piano, vocal, flute, etc) samples of an instrument at a few different velocities and pitches and interpolate between them so as to create a realistic playable instrument? Has any progress been made here?
- KVRAF
- 2120 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Saint Germain en Laye, France
Steve, you should create a new topic with your question as subject, you will have a lot more answersstevebard wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:03 am How many kinds of resynthesis are there- granular, wavetable, additive, spectral? what are their differences? What are they most useful for?
I seem to remember years back a kind of holy grail of resynthesis being to be able to eg enter a just a few (piano, vocal, flute, etc) samples of an instrument at a few different velocities and pitches and interpolate between them so as to create a realistic playable instrument? Has any progress been made here?
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- KVRAF
- 2834 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK
For me it's just the spectral which might use additive. Re the Holy Grail, I remember that in the 70s it was to be able to take the sound of a piano, stretch, pitch and more importantly change the harmonic structure. So for me, granular and wavetable aren't resynthesis.stevebard wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:03 am How many kinds of resynthesis are there- granular, wavetable, additive, spectral? what are their differences? What are they most useful for?
I seem to remember years back a kind of holy grail of resynthesis being to be able to eg enter a just a few (piano, vocal, flute, etc) samples of an instrument at a few different velocities and pitches and interpolate between them so as to create a realistic playable instrument? Has any progress been made here?
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- KVRist
- 33 posts since 16 Jan, 2006
My understanding of this area is very basic but in a sense isn't it re-synthesis when you sample a sound and it sounds just like a straightforward recording of the original sound but actually in being brought into your sampler it's been split up in one of its dimensions (eg time or spectrum) and only apparently been put back together again so that you can manipulate its 'secret' divisions in a way you can't with a standard sample. In this sense wouldn't granular and wavetable qualify as re-synthesis?
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- 35295 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I don't think so with wavetables because you are still dealing with whole samples, just strung together into a wavetable (except in the case of those wavetable synths that can create wavetables additively - maybe some of them can do resynthesis - apparently Parawave can for example)
With granular yes afaik (I am no expert) you can do a form of resynthesis - I know that the Roland V-Synth has been described as having granular resynthesis capabilities, and this article confirms that you can use granular this way, but I would expect the results would not be as well defined or smooth as with high quality additive resynthesis
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... -synthesis
With granular yes afaik (I am no expert) you can do a form of resynthesis - I know that the Roland V-Synth has been described as having granular resynthesis capabilities, and this article confirms that you can use granular this way, but I would expect the results would not be as well defined or smooth as with high quality additive resynthesis
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... -synthesis
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- KVRAF
- 1525 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8
never really used granular as i never found good use for it, but to my understanding granular in it's principle basically is “just“ sample playback.
it just focuses on very small snippets and may have one or two tricks your regular sampler might lack or is not as good or fast for such “microscopic dissections“.
Synthesis can be anything anyway. Back in the 80's at least here in Germany samplers were called sampling synthesizers too.
it just focuses on very small snippets and may have one or two tricks your regular sampler might lack or is not as good or fast for such “microscopic dissections“.
Synthesis can be anything anyway. Back in the 80's at least here in Germany samplers were called sampling synthesizers too.
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- KVRist
- 88 posts since 20 Mar, 2016
This is a good overview of the options for spectral resynthesis using Alchemy and Logic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-3atLSbUlM
-Dan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-3atLSbUlM
-Dan
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