I might even get Live as well, not to use it as my DAW, but to create and share some Max4Live patches. Because beside Bitwig I am still with my old love Max/MSP…PieBerger wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:25 amProbably not, because they have people like you, me, SLiC and the rest, who still paid for/use bothantic604 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:20 amParaphrasing the popular saying, I'm sure they're shitting their pants on their way to the bankTj Shredder wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:13 amThe “why you left Ableton” thread is mich more on topic and flooded by Bitwig users. Ableton should be scared…
Why you left Bitwig?
- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 18 Jun, 2021
Can we somehow analyse DAW usage by number of submissions to marketplaces like beatstars or even better - splice? Also sites like fiver and others, one could count how many producers/musicians mention a particular DAW… What do you think?
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
If I leave Bitwig this time, it would be for good! I have left it twice and return to it since its release. I liked a lot the direction of Bitwig 3 but I'm not excited at all about version 4 except its native support for Apple Silicon chip.
What annoys me now are several things:
1. No midi files review (like in S1, Cubase and Reaper). Live is also shit in this regard by not implementing this.
2. Markers in the arrangement are not good enough as other DAWs.
3. Operators are waste of development energy and time! I'd prefer if they implemented "Grooves" like in Reason and Live.
4. Hardware support is "strange"! I wished if they just copy Live's exact functions for the hardware! Instead I have to relearn the whole implementation like using my midi controller as "Device" and "Tracks" or "Mixer" modes! For example, why not just use the buttons on my MK ii controller to separate the instrument functions from the mixer or tracks functions? There are already "DAW" button, "Analog Lab" button and "User" button, why not using that?!
5. When exit Bitwig, all my controllers seem stuck in last operation! Also, sometimes the scripts are not very stable. Some error messages about the controller has stopped are occurring randomly while working normally inside the DAW! In short, no robust support for hardware or at least much less stable than all other DAWs!
From other side, I like the Bitwig team. They are very friendly and polite. They are always welcoming me when I return and wish me to return once again when I leave They listen always when you have something to say, but of course most of the times just listen!
Anyway, I'm faster now in Live because of the very good hardware support and I feel more integrated now with the workflow. Live also has a huge drums and instruments (like strings and keyboards) library. In synths, I say it is a Draw between those DAWs as Bitwig has wonderful synths that I like besides the Grid (Phase 4 and Polymer). However, I think Live is better in their direction (for me) while Bitwig looks more and more for geeks rather than musicians!
What annoys me now are several things:
1. No midi files review (like in S1, Cubase and Reaper). Live is also shit in this regard by not implementing this.
2. Markers in the arrangement are not good enough as other DAWs.
3. Operators are waste of development energy and time! I'd prefer if they implemented "Grooves" like in Reason and Live.
4. Hardware support is "strange"! I wished if they just copy Live's exact functions for the hardware! Instead I have to relearn the whole implementation like using my midi controller as "Device" and "Tracks" or "Mixer" modes! For example, why not just use the buttons on my MK ii controller to separate the instrument functions from the mixer or tracks functions? There are already "DAW" button, "Analog Lab" button and "User" button, why not using that?!
5. When exit Bitwig, all my controllers seem stuck in last operation! Also, sometimes the scripts are not very stable. Some error messages about the controller has stopped are occurring randomly while working normally inside the DAW! In short, no robust support for hardware or at least much less stable than all other DAWs!
From other side, I like the Bitwig team. They are very friendly and polite. They are always welcoming me when I return and wish me to return once again when I leave They listen always when you have something to say, but of course most of the times just listen!
Anyway, I'm faster now in Live because of the very good hardware support and I feel more integrated now with the workflow. Live also has a huge drums and instruments (like strings and keyboards) library. In synths, I say it is a Draw between those DAWs as Bitwig has wonderful synths that I like besides the Grid (Phase 4 and Polymer). However, I think Live is better in their direction (for me) while Bitwig looks more and more for geeks rather than musicians!
- KVRAF
- 1904 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
I just sold my license a couple of days ago.
Mainly because of a bug that was annoying me to no end and Bitwigs Support final answer on the issue:
Mainly because of a bug that was annoying me to no end and Bitwigs Support final answer on the issue:
And because I wanted to focus on Logic.thanks a lot. Unfortunately It looks like currently there's not really a way to improve this due to the way the plugin hosting and window handling works between Bitwig Studio and macOS.
Best regards,
Bitwig Technical Support Team
MacMini M2 Pro . 32GB . 2TB . . Renoise……Reason 12……Live 12 Push 2
- KVRAF
- 1904 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
When a plugin window is open (and focussed) the mouse pointer icon changes to the ones that would be shown if the plugin wasn't there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/whi8nnx3nav00 ... 1.mov?dl=0
Happens with all plugins. I thought that the update with M1 support could maybe fix it, but it didn't...
I know it's kinda minor, but it bugs me.
MacMini M2 Pro . 32GB . 2TB . . Renoise……Reason 12……Live 12 Push 2
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- Banned
- 102 posts since 23 Jul, 2021
That would drive me nuts! Could you at least still use the parameters with the janky bug?
- KVRAF
- 1904 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
Indeed it did!
Yes, the plugin is, despite being frustratingly annoying, fully usable... and that's probably the reason it's not up too high on the fix-listCould you at least still use the parameters with the janky bug?
MacMini M2 Pro . 32GB . 2TB . . Renoise……Reason 12……Live 12 Push 2
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
I haven't noticed this before! Is it a Mac only bug? I'll give it try on Linux/Windows and see.sQeetz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:48 pmWhen a plugin window is open (and focussed) the mouse pointer icon changes to the ones that would be shown if the plugin wasn't there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/whi8nnx3nav00 ... 1.mov?dl=0
Happens with all plugins. I thought that the update with M1 support could maybe fix it, but it didn't...
I know it's kinda minor, but it bugs me.
- KVRAF
- 1904 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
- KVRist
- 413 posts since 29 Apr, 2019
Mainly left because the odd way everything works is more for experimental and too basic. Requires nesting of plugins to do a simple job.
EQ+ which is amazing is also dumb on why they force latency for each instance used.
The business model just doesn't sit well with me as well.
Went and bought Live 11 Suite instead
EQ+ which is amazing is also dumb on why they force latency for each instance used.
The business model just doesn't sit well with me as well.
Went and bought Live 11 Suite instead
- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
How is that any different in Live? Its native devices are also mostly basic and you need to layer & nest stuff in Instrument/FX Racks to get something equivalent to a basic VST)?
Also, EQ+ will likely be fixed whereas Live's EQ8 is years behind it in terms of workflow. If you can work with EQ8, you could've worked with Bitwig's EQ5 until EQ+ is fixed.
Both DAWs are awesome so it's not like you made a mistake switching, but your rationale for switching is weird
- KVRAF
- 2237 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
This is Mac-only? Because then, somebody is not respecting the tracking areas that should be set up by both the host and the plugin maker of the focused window. The focused window should be catching all the mouse events and not passing them on to the host to respond to, i.e. changing the cursor pointer to follow what's underneath.sQeetz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:48 pmWhen a plugin window is open (and focussed) the mouse pointer icon changes to the ones that would be shown if the plugin wasn't there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/whi8nnx3nav00 ... 1.mov?dl=0
Happens with all plugins. I thought that the update with M1 support could maybe fix it, but it didn't...
I know it's kinda minor, but it bugs me.
Sounds like a simple bug to me to fix. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
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- KVRAF
- 11165 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Live 11 'Suite' devices aren't basic, the (AAS) instruments, fx (like the new hybrid reverb), new MAX stuff and bundled sound packs are absolutely top notch. Probably the reason (along with PUSH 2 integration) I seem to boot up Live more than Bitwig, just so much great content to explore.
'EQ+ will likely be fixed'....its been out a long time and we have had a lot of updates (including 4!) without it being fixed...Bigwigs 'update plan' model puts them under a lot of pressure to keep putting new stuff out, sometimes that can be detrimental to finishing of the details I think.
'EQ+ will likely be fixed'....its been out a long time and we have had a lot of updates (including 4!) without it being fixed...Bigwigs 'update plan' model puts them under a lot of pressure to keep putting new stuff out, sometimes that can be detrimental to finishing of the details I think.
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S49MK2, Studio One, BWS, Live 12. PUSH 3 SA, Osmose, Summit, Pro 3, Prophet8, Syntakt, Digitone, Drumlogue, OP1-F, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Nord Drum3P, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
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- KVRAF
- 4498 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
btw. open<>closing/focusing plugins(groups) can be key assigned
I like it in BWS (AFAIK AL also knows it just AL blocks the macroed plugin params) ... so can live with nesting
I like it in BWS (AFAIK AL also knows it just AL blocks the macroed plugin params) ... so can live with nesting
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