The Waves Update Plan scam

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KVRist
213 posts since 30 Sep, 2002

Post Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:08 am

Thank Grud :pray: I’m using Windows and all my plugins work right back to v9.

Once a genuine value to updating my plugins is presented, I will gladly consider purchasing an upgrade. :wink:

Great gear. Weird way to keep the lights on, which is my assumptions as to why WUP exists.
Will mix for fun

db3
KVRAF
2573 posts since 22 Aug, 2012

Post Tue May 18, 2021 12:11 pm

Just opened up Waves Central because my Waves plugins are crashing Live and got:
"You're using MacOS 10.15.7 (Catalina). v10 software is not supported on your system."
Not sure when that happened. I'm done with Waves.

KVRAF
2092 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Post Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:35 am

db3 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 12:11 pm
Just opened up Waves Central because my Waves plugins are crashing Live and got:
"You're using MacOS 10.15.7 (Catalina). v10 software is not supported on your system."
Not sure when that happened. I'm done with Waves.
Apple made huge underlying changes to Catalina to increase security and protect our information. All developers could do was respond by updating their software. If this forces any developer to spend a lot of time and money fixing it they have no choice but to charge.

Some devs will roll this into a new plugin with new features and charge you for all that. In the case of Waves their "new features" come mostly in the form of seperate new plugins to maintain backwards compatibility with the older plugins and they handle their "maintenance" separately via WUP. This is why we can pickup a new plugin for around $30-50 and that it only costs $10-30 roughly to keep it maintained, but it also caps at around $240 if you have too many plugins. It's quite an intelligent system really, cheap, but full of dissemination because none stops to do the basic maths or to understand it properly.

Too make a long story short, a v11 wouldn't have been necessary if Apple didn't make such big, but necessary changes. Waves just got caught I the crossfire. It'll happen too though. To port their entire catalogue onto a new Native M1 CPU structure would require alot of work and debugging. That can't possibly be done for free, but hopefully Rosetta support will be.

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KVRian
1058 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland

Post Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:53 pm

There's a way to avoid WUP : You can now do one of their new subscriptions :lol:
More BPM please

KVRAF
28834 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:08 pm

There's another way to avoid WUP. Just don't do it. There's even one more way to avoid, if you so hate it: Stop using Waves plugins.

Can't believe the bondage some people seem to be in.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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KVRAF
4450 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:11 pm

chk071 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:08 pm
There's another way to avoid WUP. Just don't do it. There's even one more way to avoid, if you so hate it: Stop using Waves plugins.

Can't believe the bondage some people seem to be in.
This is correct. When Waves changed their transfer policy I stopped being a customer. Then their $29 sales and finally WUP requirements and in the end V12 not working on my macPOS. I will use the waves products I have until they cease to work and from there, I will no longer be a Waves user or purchase any of their products. Ever. No need to really there are so many other better products out there now. Waves is an anachronism in digital audio.

Waves sucks.

KVRAF
28834 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:17 pm

Think I bought 2 plugins from them, Codex and H-Delay. Codex was very bad, so I sold it. Kept H-Delay, which is really decent, except that I often look for a more clean delay sound, because, H-Delay saturates the signal. Apart from that, I only have freebies from them, and never did WUP.

I don't hate them, I think they have some decent products, and I don't care about the marketing. It's definitely a bit over the top, and feels more like an ad agency than a plugin developer. Anyway, everyone has to do business, they chose the way they want to do it, and it's fine for me. I know some of my fellow countrymen will always say "BOOH!! Their pricing stuff is forbidden in Germany!", but, seriously, WTH do we Germans know about business anyway? It's fine for me, because, noone is forced to buy, or upgrade their plugins. There are alternatives. Everyone is free to choose what he/she wants to buy. Don't get the fuss, either way.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

KVRian
562 posts since 29 Jan, 2017

Post Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:21 pm

chk071 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:17 pm
It's definitely a bit over the top, and feels more like an ad agency than a plugin developer.
I have to agree with this. I wish they spent at least half of the marketing time and energy improving exisiting plugins (especially the very old ones)

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KVRian
1058 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland

Post Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:25 pm

chk071 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:08 pm
There's another way to avoid WUP. Just don't do it. There's even one more way to avoid, if you so hate it: Stop using Waves plugins.

Can't believe the bondage some people seem to be in.
You seem to not get the sarcasm :wink:
More BPM please

KVRAF
2092 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Post Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:24 am

chk071 wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:17 pm
Think I bought 2 plugins from them, Codex and H-Delay. Codex was very bad, so I sold it. Kept H-Delay, which is really decent, except that I often look for a more clean delay sound, because, H-Delay saturates the signal. Apart from that, I only have freebies from them, and never did WUP.

I don't hate them, I think they have some decent products, and I don't care about the marketing. It's definitely a bit over the top, and feels more like an ad agency than a plugin developer. Anyway, everyone has to do business, they chose the way they want to do it, and it's fine for me. I know some of my fellow countrymen will always say "BOOH!! Their pricing stuff is forbidden in Germany!", but, seriously, WTH do we Germans know about business anyway? It's fine for me, because, noone is forced to buy, or upgrade their plugins. There are alternatives. Everyone is free to choose what he/she wants to buy. Don't get the fuss, either way.
Must be a personal thing, I didn't find Codex bad whatsoever. I always like the sound of the oscillators in the Waves synths, they naturally sound thicker without the need for all those "thickening tricks"

I do think its a little bit limiting, but not every synth or sound needs to have a dozen oscillators and 100 effects. Everything has its use given the right context.

AKJ
KVRAF
1908 posts since 2 Mar, 2004

Post Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:57 pm

db3 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 12:11 pm
Just opened up Waves Central because my Waves plugins are crashing Live and got:
"You're using MacOS 10.15.7 (Catalina). v10 software is not supported on your system."
Not sure when that happened. I'm done with Waves.
It is absolutely ridiculous to blame Waves for the faults of Apple. But I guess being an Apple user already implies a decent amount of irrational Apple mystification as otherwise it would be hard to explain why one should pay such exaggerated prices for products from a company which does not care for backwards compatibility at all.

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KVRAF
4450 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:40 pm

AKJ wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:57 pm
db3 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 12:11 pm
Just opened up Waves Central because my Waves plugins are crashing Live and got:
"You're using MacOS 10.15.7 (Catalina). v10 software is not supported on your system."
Not sure when that happened. I'm done with Waves.
It is absolutely ridiculous to blame Waves for the faults of Apple. But I guess being an Apple user already implies a decent amount of irrational Apple mystification as otherwise it would be hard to explain why one should pay such exaggerated prices for products from a company which does not care for backwards compatibility at all.
I am no Apple advocate, despite being an Apple customer for 40+ years - back around 2012 they lost me. I am now "working fumes" with a 2010 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook Pro. I refuse to upgrade the hardware for various reasons.

The point of my post is to be fair: Apple actually is pretty good about backwards compatibility, depending on what we are talking about. In terms of support of old hardware, as I said I am happily running Reaper 6 and 99% of my 3rd party tools are up to date, running on a 11 year old tower and a 9 years old laptop. That's pretty good in my books! However there are other critical issues with Apple, imho. I am hoping they fix their problems so I can justify upgrading but if not I plan to move to windoze.

KVRAF
3896 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Post Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:35 pm

dionenoid wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:53 pm
There's a way to avoid WUP : You can now do one of their new subscriptions :lol:
WUP essentially is a subscription, but I can sense a "Yo dawg, I heard you like subscriptions..." meme moment about to happen...

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