i did consider them, about 35 years ago....
Famous but bad guitars and less famous but good guitars
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Out of interest were the Gibson guitars bought new of second hand?Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:54 pm3 shitty, one what you'd expect. So, 4 altogether. 1 SG that wouldn't stay in tune, regardless of whatever usual measures you take; An LP did the same, another had buzzing all over the fretboard, even after a fret dress; and then even after a re-fret. My luthier friend called it a 'Monday Guitar.'Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:07 pmSo what was shitty about the 2 Gibsons and was it a particular model?
The 4th is an SG Classic that I'm selling because I don't play it anymore. It's a great guitar, but not my thing at this point of my life to have guitars hanging around that I don't play. Hope I don't regret it.
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All i've ever heard about the Masterbilts is good, but maybe you have more money to spend and higher standards then most. From my experience although only ever tried out and never bought they are fantastic sounding guitars for the money. Just wish I had the money to buy one.Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:57 pmI was underwhelmed by the Masterbilts I've played. The dreads lacked OoomPH. Nice sound, and a couple of J-45 copies were good, but no better or worse for anything else in its price range.Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:28 pmWhat about an Epiphone Masterbilt, have you tried one out?Scrubbing Monkeys wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:56 pm I have had Gibson's, Fenders, Godin, Tacoma. Alembic, Music Man, Martin Epiphone and Yamaha.
My favorite is an old Electra Phoenix made in japan. Materials are great. Fit and finish ate top notch.
Many bad Gibson's.
All Yamaha products are wonderful values.
I like Strats but would never pay more than $500 for any of them.
The Martin D62 acoustic is a master peice.
It's not about name but.....a certain level of quality costs money.
I personally don't care.....a good guitar is a good guitar. It has taken me nearly 40 years to judge properly.
Why the hell did I come back to this God forsaken forum?
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You can learn enough on youtube nowadays anyway, if you take the time to follow the lessons and practice. practice practice.
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yeah, I'm not gonna do that.... it was just a little joke....Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 amYou can learn enough on youtube nowadays anyway, if you take the time to follow the lessons and practice. practice practice.
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New. One of them, the SG, the shop salesguy actually tried to warn me off of it without warning me off of it. But I had to have the one with the nice Gibson case with the combination lock. The other 3 were here in Germany, bought new from Thomann or Musicstore.de. Since I know an actual luthier who has done more work on my guitars than I can recall, I figured if there was something not right, he'd fix it, so I didn't send the guitars back. They did sound pretty gnarly... But Gibson defeated him, and I took major losses with the 2 I've sold here so far. The first SG was back in Kyanada. Got 50% for what I paid for that, too.Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:17 amOut of interest were the Gibson guitars bought new of second hand?Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:54 pm3 shitty, one what you'd expect. So, 4 altogether. 1 SG that wouldn't stay in tune, regardless of whatever usual measures you take; An LP did the same, another had buzzing all over the fretboard, even after a fret dress; and then even after a re-fret. My luthier friend called it a 'Monday Guitar.'Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:07 pmSo what was shitty about the 2 Gibsons and was it a particular model?
The 4th is an SG Classic that I'm selling because I don't play it anymore. It's a great guitar, but not my thing at this point of my life to have guitars hanging around that I don't play. Hope I don't regret it.
EDIT: I have NO idea why he couldn't get the Gibsons to play nice. I have an 'Inspired By John Lennon' Casino, the sanded-down version, and he set it up beautifully, and I would never sell that guitar. Ever. It practically plays itself. They go on eBay for hundreds more than they were new. They're far superior to your overshiny dipped in poly look of the standards. Thing is light as hell, too. Nope, never ever. Why Gibson can't regularly hit this quality while its subsidiary can is interesting and annoying.
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Well,Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:22 amAll i've ever heard about the Masterbilts is good, but maybe you have more money to spend and higher standards then most. From my experience although only ever tried out and never bought they are fantastic sounding guitars for the money. Just wish I had the money to buy one.Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:57 pmI was underwhelmed by the Masterbilts I've played. The dreads lacked OoomPH. Nice sound, and a couple of J-45 copies were good, but no better or worse for anything else in its price range.Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:28 pmWhat about an Epiphone Masterbilt, have you tried one out?Scrubbing Monkeys wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:56 pm I have had Gibson's, Fenders, Godin, Tacoma. Alembic, Music Man, Martin Epiphone and Yamaha.
My favorite is an old Electra Phoenix made in japan. Materials are great. Fit and finish ate top notch.
Many bad Gibson's.
All Yamaha products are wonderful values.
I like Strats but would never pay more than $500 for any of them.
The Martin D62 acoustic is a master peice.
It's not about name but.....a certain level of quality costs money.
I personally don't care.....a good guitar is a good guitar. It has taken me nearly 40 years to judge properly.
We live a fairly frugal lifestyle, notwithstanding my fulfillment of an adolescent fantasy...to have a room full of nice guitars. I knew someone way back, used to get hash and acid from him, and he had a room that had a pool table that was ringed with guitars on stands. From that moment, I knew I wanted one of those. Don't have room for billiards, unfortunately.
So yeah, we have no car, no debt, and I can play around a bit. I bought most of my keepers when I had some money to throw around and make the fantasy come true, and now it has been a slow case of attrition, letting go of the ones that don't really do 'it' for me, whatever 'It' is.
First time I played a Martin, I knew I had to have one. Once I had one, I knew I had to have another. Martin is my favourite mass-produced guitar maker, family business since the 1830s, ffs. They know how to make guitars. I have specific criteria for guitars, yep, and that has come through trial and error over the last 14 years.
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Acoustics are a bit tricky. I have a $200.00 Yamaha nylon that has a solid cedar top that is simply amazing. But it's 40 years old. An acoustic that is tight and lifeless new may blossom into something wonderful. Something that is open sounding new may become flabby later......Most people that have never spent years with a seasoned Martin will never really be able to judge an Epiphone Master built. That doesn't come from a place of snobbory but of exposure to fine detail in tone and dynamics. It is very possible that an Epi MB may equal any Martin. But not sure they would consistently equal Martin's.Bombadil wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:36 amWell,Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:22 amAll i've ever heard about the Masterbilts is good, but maybe you have more money to spend and higher standards then most. From my experience although only ever tried out and never bought they are fantastic sounding guitars for the money. Just wish I had the money to buy one.Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:57 pmI was underwhelmed by the Masterbilts I've played. The dreads lacked OoomPH. Nice sound, and a couple of J-45 copies were good, but no better or worse for anything else in its price range.Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:28 pmWhat about an Epiphone Masterbilt, have you tried one out?Scrubbing Monkeys wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:56 pm I have had Gibson's, Fenders, Godin, Tacoma. Alembic, Music Man, Martin Epiphone and Yamaha.
My favorite is an old Electra Phoenix made in japan. Materials are great. Fit and finish ate top notch.
Many bad Gibson's.
All Yamaha products are wonderful values.
I like Strats but would never pay more than $500 for any of them.
The Martin D62 acoustic is a master peice.
It's not about name but.....a certain level of quality costs money.
I personally don't care.....a good guitar is a good guitar. It has taken me nearly 40 years to judge properly.
We live a fairly frugal lifestyle, notwithstanding my fulfillment of an adolescent fantasy...to have a room full of nice guitars. I knew someone way back, used to get hash and acid from him, and he had a room that had a pool table that was ringed with guitars on stands. From that moment, I knew I wanted one of those. Don't have room for billiards, unfortunately.
So yeah, we have no car, no debt, and I can play around a bit. I bought most of my keepers when I had some money to throw around and make the fantasy come true, and now it has been a slow case of attrition, letting go of the ones that don't really do 'it' for me, whatever 'It' is.
First time I played a Martin, I knew I had to have one. Once I had one, I knew I had to have another. Martin is my favourite mass-produced guitar maker, family business since the 1830s, ffs. They know how to make guitars. I have specific criteria for guitars, yep, and that has come through trial and error over the last 14 years.
We jumped the fence because it was a fence not be cause the grass was greener.
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Oh, I spent most of my life with one acoustic, a Norman B-30. I learned on an Aria 12 string set up with 6. See, I tried the 'as good as' models and the 'for the price' models, and they didn't resonate with me. Those are all the guitars that have been sold off. I was somewhere around 27-28, I think at the height of my insanity. It will be down to 13 asap. I had a 1976 Yammie nylon that I gave to a friend, I still have a few recordings made with it, and they're fine. I paid 120CAD.
So, my taste in fine wine came after 75% of a lifetime with a single 250CAD acoustic and a single 237CAD electric. I am not someone to throw money away, ha ha ha. Sorry, I can't keep a straight face when I read what I just wrote, but I'm definitely a 'buy the best you can afford' whether it be guitars or washer/dryers.
So, my taste in fine wine came after 75% of a lifetime with a single 250CAD acoustic and a single 237CAD electric. I am not someone to throw money away, ha ha ha. Sorry, I can't keep a straight face when I read what I just wrote, but I'm definitely a 'buy the best you can afford' whether it be guitars or washer/dryers.
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I have played guitar and bass for over 40 years now. Still have two basses I bought in 83 or so. Made in USA Fender Bullet Deluxe and a USA made Hamer Cruise bass. A Palmer Flying V that I've bought used in 1982 for about $100 bucks. A Korean made Hamer import Standard, and a USA made Hamer Prototype II.
Gibson makes great guitars but they also have quality control issues. So, you have some great guitars and some not so great. The country of origin doesn't affect the quality but the materials and the amount of hand built parts of the guitar do matter in the quality. Hamer is somewhat famous but also somewhat unknown, but they quality control and the ability of their craftsmen was superior to many other brands. They are also closed now. So, I go for the less famous but good guitar side.
Here are some links if you want to see what quality guitar construction can look like:
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Gibson makes great guitars but they also have quality control issues. So, you have some great guitars and some not so great. The country of origin doesn't affect the quality but the materials and the amount of hand built parts of the guitar do matter in the quality. Hamer is somewhat famous but also somewhat unknown, but they quality control and the ability of their craftsmen was superior to many other brands. They are also closed now. So, I go for the less famous but good guitar side.
Here are some links if you want to see what quality guitar construction can look like:
Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/groups/675168652565488
Company Website: https://www.shishkovguitars.com
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and most tutorials will touch on the top 2 strings at some point tooAnX wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:00 amyeah, I'm not gonna do that.... it was just a little joke....Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:27 amYou can learn enough on youtube nowadays anyway, if you take the time to follow the lessons and practice. practice practice.
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Guess I'll avoid Gibsons then, if I ever have the kind of money spare that would be needed to buy oneBombadil wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:17 amNew. One of them, the SG, the shop salesguy actually tried to warn me off of it without warning me off of it. But I had to have the one with the nice Gibson case with the combination lock. The other 3 were here in Germany, bought new from Thomann or Musicstore.de. Since I know an actual luthier who has done more work on my guitars than I can recall, I figured if there was something not right, he'd fix it, so I didn't send the guitars back. They did sound pretty gnarly... But Gibson defeated him, and I took major losses with the 2 I've sold here so far. The first SG was back in Kyanada. Got 50% for what I paid for that, too.Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:17 amOut of interest were the Gibson guitars bought new of second hand?Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:54 pm3 shitty, one what you'd expect. So, 4 altogether. 1 SG that wouldn't stay in tune, regardless of whatever usual measures you take; An LP did the same, another had buzzing all over the fretboard, even after a fret dress; and then even after a re-fret. My luthier friend called it a 'Monday Guitar.'Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:07 pmSo what was shitty about the 2 Gibsons and was it a particular model?
The 4th is an SG Classic that I'm selling because I don't play it anymore. It's a great guitar, but not my thing at this point of my life to have guitars hanging around that I don't play. Hope I don't regret it.
EDIT: I have NO idea why he couldn't get the Gibsons to play nice. I have an 'Inspired By John Lennon' Casino, the sanded-down version, and he set it up beautifully, and I would never sell that guitar. Ever. It practically plays itself. They go on eBay for hundreds more than they were new. They're far superior to your overshiny dipped in poly look of the standards. Thing is light as hell, too. Nope, never ever. Why Gibson can't regularly hit this quality while its subsidiary can is interesting and annoying.
Why the hell did I come back to this God forsaken forum?
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Well unfortunately I can't afford a Martin but I have the next best thing (well sort of) I have a Sigma which used to be part of Martin guitar. Sigma was to Martin what Epiphone is to Gibson a cheaper copy. It is now owned by a German company which I think is called EMI Musical Instruments or something like that. It is an electro acoustic parlour style guitar a 000M 15E+ which is a copy of a Martin obviously a lot cheaper at £325 new. You would be hard pressed to find a better sounding new guitar for that kind of money. I have heard it being played against it's Martin lookalike and to be honest the sound comparison does not reflect the price difference, but this is probably because Sigma make good quality low to medium priced guitars for little money. The only thing I would say is that the action is slightly higher than I would really like it to be which is why I changed the strings from 12's to 11's. I have to say though if I had plenty of money and a had a Martin I liked, I would probably buy the Sigma version of the guitar to see how it compared, and as a practice guitar which I would not mind gettting bashed about a bit.Bombadil wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:36 amWell,Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:22 amAll i've ever heard about the Masterbilts is good, but maybe you have more money to spend and higher standards then most. From my experience although only ever tried out and never bought they are fantastic sounding guitars for the money. Just wish I had the money to buy one.Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:57 pmI was underwhelmed by the Masterbilts I've played. The dreads lacked OoomPH. Nice sound, and a couple of J-45 copies were good, but no better or worse for anything else in its price range.Henry Jimdrix wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:28 pmWhat about an Epiphone Masterbilt, have you tried one out?Scrubbing Monkeys wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:56 pm I have had Gibson's, Fenders, Godin, Tacoma. Alembic, Music Man, Martin Epiphone and Yamaha.
My favorite is an old Electra Phoenix made in japan. Materials are great. Fit and finish ate top notch.
Many bad Gibson's.
All Yamaha products are wonderful values.
I like Strats but would never pay more than $500 for any of them.
The Martin D62 acoustic is a master peice.
It's not about name but.....a certain level of quality costs money.
I personally don't care.....a good guitar is a good guitar. It has taken me nearly 40 years to judge properly.
We live a fairly frugal lifestyle, notwithstanding my fulfillment of an adolescent fantasy...to have a room full of nice guitars. I knew someone way back, used to get hash and acid from him, and he had a room that had a pool table that was ringed with guitars on stands. From that moment, I knew I wanted one of those. Don't have room for billiards, unfortunately.
So yeah, we have no car, no debt, and I can play around a bit. I bought most of my keepers when I had some money to throw around and make the fantasy come true, and now it has been a slow case of attrition, letting go of the ones that don't really do 'it' for me, whatever 'It' is.
First time I played a Martin, I knew I had to have one. Once I had one, I knew I had to have another. Martin is my favourite mass-produced guitar maker, family business since the 1830s, ffs. They know how to make guitars. I have specific criteria for guitars, yep, and that has come through trial and error over the last 14 years.
Why the hell did I come back to this God forsaken forum?
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I had a Sigma 000-15. Gave that away to the same friend's father. It was a very good little guitar for fingerpicking. Kinda tinny for strumming. Paid €180 second hand.
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I have one of those vintage (MIJ) Martin Sigmas (DM-5S)... very nice guitar.
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