A VST sampler that samples?

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KVRer
13 posts since 16 Mar, 2014

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:19 am

I heard people on the Sonicstate podcast talking about it fairly recently in excited tones, a VST sampler that actually samples but I cannot track it down or remember the name of it. Any clues?

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KVRAF
10424 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:36 am

foxrobins wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:19 am
I heard people on the Sonicstate podcast talking about it fairly recently in excited tones, a VST sampler that actually samples but I cannot track it down or remember the name of it. Any clues?
Why does that matter? It's not like you lack ways to record audio inside a computer, is it? Even much better ways than what you will probably have in a so called sampler.
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KVRAF
2262 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:52 am

I must have missed that on Sonic Talk. HALion samples but that is much more than a sampler.

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KVRAF
30820 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:00 am

IIRC ShortCircuit by Vember Audio samples ..
https://vemberaudio.se/eng/

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Shortcurcuit2 is also available from Surge Synth Team ...
https://plugins4free.com/plugin/1104/
Still 32bit only unfortunately

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KVRAF
3743 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:12 am

Gaz is a big HALion fan, and they had an episode in which they sampled a kind of boomwhacker, but that episode was a while ago.
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KVRAF
1628 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:51 am

"A Vst-sampler that samples" - what should be the advantage?

Case 1: I bounce a section in the DAW as a wav file and drag
this file onto the sampler with the mouse. Voila - the sample is in
the sampler!

Case 2: I mark a section in the DAW and press the "sample"
button on the sampler. And yes: the sample is also in the sampler
this time.

But what is the difference between case 1 and case 2? Why not
just drag the wav files into the sampler and that's it? Isn't the
sampling function of software-VST-sampler completely superfluous? :?
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KVRAF
2262 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:59 am

Michael L wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:12 am
Gaz is a big HALion fan, and they had an episode in which they sampled a kind of boomwhacker, but that episode was a while ago.
I use it for sampling various non preset synths - it has an autosampling capability, create a chromatic MIDI file, set up HALion and you will get a set of topped and tailed samples with the note info in the name.

But as said, it's a bit overkill if you only want a sampler that samples.

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13 posts since 16 Mar, 2014

Post Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:50 pm

I'm starting to think I imagined it. I understand the people saying you can sample into the DAW and then drag and drop. I thought the same, but I remember them talking about it on the podcast and being very excited by it. But I have searched high and low and cannot find any such sampler.

EDIT - It was Expert Sleepers Crossfade Loop synth effect which can sample directly in to the VST: https://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/xfadelooper.html. Not quite what I had imagined but I'll try it out.

KVRian
837 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8

Post Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:03 am

Geist 2 and TX16Wx sample

sampling capabilities in a sampler is a very good feature for “creative sampling“ on the fly.
For creating big orchestral libraries or other “serious“ stuff it's not such a big benefit anymore though.

Oh and then there is autosampling of course, that can be very beneficial to sample other synths or other non acoustic instruments with MIDI capabilities.
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KVRian
1177 posts since 17 Jul, 2007 from Baghdad-Iq

Post Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:16 am

Image-Line's FL Studio as a DAW or DirectWave as a VST.
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KVRAF
2262 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Post Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:54 am

foxrobins wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:50 pm
I'm starting to think I imagined it. I understand the people saying you can sample into the DAW and then drag and drop. I thought the same, but I remember them talking about it on the podcast and being very excited by it. But I have searched high and low and cannot find any such sampler.

EDIT - It was Expert Sleepers Crossfade Loop synth effect which can sample directly in to the VST: https://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/xfadelooper.html. Not quite what I had imagined but I'll try it out.
oh gosh yes, I remember them talking about it and thinking hasn't it been out for years? Wasn't there a free version with Computer Music magazine at least 5 or more years ago? I didn't find it very useful.

I get the idea of sampling directly even if you are effectively still going through the same A/Ds of your interface to get it into your sampler. Depending on what you want to do have you thought of using a cheap hardware sampler like the Teenage Engineering PO 33?

KVRist
37 posts since 5 Mar, 2021

Post Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:47 am

Reason - but only when using the Reason DAW. They haven’t implemented that function in the Reason Rack Plugin VST (yet).

It’s very cool though. ANY device that can play back samples has a button that lets you sample directly into the device. Even the convolution reverb!
You can patch the sample audio input from anything within the DAW, or external inputs.

KVRAF
6029 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:59 am

HALion and Bliss

KVRer
4 posts since 22 Sep, 2006

Post Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:28 pm

MPC Beats works as a VST and samples

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KVRAF
20097 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:53 pm

enroe wrote:
Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:51 am
"A Vst-sampler that samples" - what should be the advantage?

Case 1: I bounce a section in the DAW as a wav file and drag
this file onto the sampler with the mouse. Voila - the sample is in
the sampler!

Case 2: I mark a section in the DAW and press the "sample"
button on the sampler. And yes: the sample is also in the sampler
this time.

But what is the difference between case 1 and case 2? Why not
just drag the wav files into the sampler and that's it? Isn't the
sampling function of software-VST-sampler completely superfluous? :?
Suppose you are creating a multi-sample, or a drum kit. You can automate the process. For example, Geist can sample and I can play multiple different hits one after the other and Geist saves them as individual samples and distributes them on the pads.

Some samplers can also resample themselves so no need to first record it to a track.

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