KVR Audio

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:57 pm

Best of luck with your adventure, frodo and sam heading to mordor had less issues to deal with. Windows being a bit slow will seem like heaven on earth after a few months of wrestling with music production on linux.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:59 pm

lotus2035 wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:57 pm Best of luck with your adventure, frodo and sam heading to mordor had less issues to deal with. Windows being a bit slow will seem like heaven on earth after a few months of wrestling with music production on linux.

Good one!

Glokraw has been happily, easily making music for over a decade on Linux. He started back in 2006. Things are so much easier nowadays than they were then.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:28 pm

...we be jammin' in da Caldera

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:37 pm

lotus2035 wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:57 pm Best of luck with your adventure, frodo and sam heading to mordor had less issues to deal with. Windows being a bit slow will seem like heaven on earth after a few months of wrestling with music production on linux.

Anyone on any platform can produce 'music'. It's getting all those fingers and synapses and emotions coordinated and cooperating that is the hard part

FrettedSynth · Post by **FrettedSynth** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:27 pm

lotus2035 wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:57 pm Best of luck with your adventure, frodo and sam heading to mordor had less issues to deal with. Windows being a bit slow will seem like heaven on earth after a few months of wrestling with music production on linux.

Nah! Life just became much more easy running Linux. Have had a system running for eight months experienced less crashes/freezes then on Windows., so no wrestling here.
But to each his own! In the 90s I swore MacOS was the best until my audiomedia II card was deemed useless. Moved to Windows around 2000 has served me very well until now. At 59 I have had enough with reinstall for a new machine, Linux has solved that problem.
Most likely not the best choice if you need all the latest software with C/R, dongle and other copy protection that requires your machine to phone home in order to run. Fortunately there is plenty of software that does not require you to jump through them hoops. But if you need the software with invasive copy protection you are much better off staying with Win/Mac.
For all three OS's I have always kept the computer off the network/web. Have to agree with the folks who say "never update a working computer" updating has gave me grief with all three. So I'm happy your happy, and right back at ya

InLight-Tone · Post by **InLight-Tone** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:18 am

This brings back memories of me trying for over a month to sync my Palm Pilot to Linux desktop, compiling endless programs, searching for obscure code fragments etc. LIFE IS TOO SHORT!

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:56 am

Using Linux for music is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. In other words, it's all rather futile to go around so many swings and roundabouts to have a sub-par experience than what one has on Windows. Things screw up eventually when installing things, let alone getting things to work. You sacrifice a lot in regard to music production.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:08 am

I've got a stable of great U-he synth/fx, both SynthMasters, Komplete 13, Fathom Modular, IK's Sampletank 4, Amplitube 5, Lurrsen Console, Syntronik, UNO analog-synth, and a lite Philharmonic, DS Thorn, Sugarbytes Aparillo, BlueCat Axiom and AcouFiend, Wusikstation, Tantra, Kirnu Cream, Union, Wiggle, EzDrummer, Carbon Electra, Z3ta, Rapture, and tons of great freeware. The recent linux versions of Surge, Vital, Odin2, Dexed, Yoshimi, and DecentSampler are all pretty fine instruments.

I've got Reaper, Bitwig, and Mixbus daws, and no interest or need for Ableton, Cubase, Studio One, Pro-Tools etc etc, yet I'm happy for people creating in those powerful mac/win only daws and settings, simply because music makes life better.

So why bother dumping such a weak uninformed dumb-ass troll here when you could presumably be happier and more productive recording music in your personal Melinda Gates approved sonic valhalla? Times have seriously changed, you're preaching like a 2012 duffer who never followed instructions...compatibility has seriously changed, plugin wrappers are gamechangers, and the toolbox is still growing and still unlocked.

Aren't there some mac musicians forums to troll, where you'd get many thousands more reads to boost your windows ego?

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:37 am

Linux is not the Apple Vs Orange intruder, it's entire developement/release process is radically different than Mac/win,
and the user-base is also very different. You can play the elitist til you're blue in the face. It's obvious there are great tools aptly considered 'elite'. But that's got squat all to do with any linux using musician, we are in a different territory, and got there by different motivations. I'm happy for pro-tools studios, and I'm happy that CLAP is taking on Steinberg. And I'm really happy that I have a record button, in a customized and optimized environment, that always surprises me with what's available.

My biggest configuration issue, is literally remembering to switch headphone jacks for the hardware in the session at hand.

I have an old beater car, and I have a pretty nice car, and I have a collectable car, and I use them separately according to the current need. The collectable doesn't go off-road, the nice car doesn't do errands, and the beater doesn't go out to dinner, or on vacation.
The music creation process isn't much different, Use the best tool you can afford for the situation, and be happy if the neighbor get's a shiny new ride

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:45 am

...not to mention, there are millions of creative people out there, who can't afford a mac computer, or trove of windows software, or whatever middle-ground there may be. Modern linux, (not that old 2012 version) by not depending solely on the financial market forces for progress, makes available great potential to people of humble situations, for whom the 2022 market-standard products are wholly unobtainable. There are great softwares that run on old computers, and therefore some people happily have a shot at producing computer based music, from items that might well have been recycled or binned.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:21 am

THE INTRANCER wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:56 am Using Linux for music is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. In other words, it's all rather futile to go around so many swings and roundabouts to have a sub-par experience than what one has on Windows. Things screw up eventually when installing things, let alone getting things to work. You sacrifice a lot in regard to music production.

You’re projecting. For YOU, these things may have seemed true—and maybe for you, they are. PEBKAC happens. But for others, this isn’t the case.

Mine has been quite a pleasant experience—above par, and very solid. There has been little sacrifice either. Pretty much every plugin that I bought when using Windows, still works the same. Yes, there is a bit of a learning curve, but a world of possibilities opens up to the individual willing to put a little time and effort. I like things MY way, and Linux delivers in spades.

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:33 am

There is no need to change to Linux, just make a bootable SSD hardrive like I have with some sort of Linux on it. If I can do it, anyone can. That way, when the urge takes you, like it has for me at the moment, you can boot into Linux for a day, or a week, or whatever. Its a bit like going on holiday to a new place, great while your there, but one day you go home to the familiar place you live.

I did it the hard way by installing MInt Linux, because its the most like windows. I did eventually manage to get Yabridge and VSTs working - but it was hard, I have to admit. The biggest obstacle with Linux I find, is the lack of GUI. Yes, we know the command line is powerful, but it needs to go in the dustbin if Linux is to be taken seriously. Copying-n-pasting long lines of code should be obsolete.

By the way, I am writing this from Mint Linux. Its the first time I have booted this for months, and I have just turned on automatic updating to see if anything breaks.

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:40 am

Every time I see someone make such an ill informed comment about Pro Audio on Linux, I have to remind myself that these people haven’t bothered to learn how much better Linux has gotten in the last five years, and are simply vomiting whatever garbage they’ve heard from others. The truth is, they fear Linux, and are unwilling to try for themselves. Or, their definition of “try” is loading a live install for a few minutes, not understand it, and declare it futile and useless with swings and roundabouts, providing a subpar experience.

Those of us who have taken the time to bother to learn something about the way Linux works, have found it a very liberating experience.

Yes, “liberating” is how I define my experience now, versus back when I used Windows.

Edit: my post was not directed at you, Dellboy. It was just bad timing that your post popped in while I was on my soapbox.

dellboy · Post by **dellboy** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:14 am

Yes, Linux for music, and most other things, is unrecognizable from ten years ago. It use to be a nightmare to get low latency asio, but now it just works without installing any drivers. In fact I get much low latency in Linux than I do in windows, and on the same machine. Its sad that people troll Linux without first installing a 2022 version and giving it a thorough workout.

On the other hand, it also works the other way. Windows is also unrecognizable from ten years ago and is now a very stable and secure platform and fantastic for music making. And just like Linux it has the advantage over Mac of being open and cheap to own and upgrade and service. Linux users do themselves no favors by talking it down.

GaryG · Post by **GaryG** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:21 pm

dellboy wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:33 am There is no need to change to Linux, just make a bootable SSD hardrive like I have with some sort of Linux on it.

Out of curiosity is this a USB connected drive? I've booted Linux plenty of times from a stick and it seems to work fine (though no massive projects yet) but have it in my head that if I went this way I should use a faster drive... Cheers.

Changing to Linux for music making