Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[crimsonwarlock]

Do you have access to specific statistics or is it just wishful thinking simply based on your sentiment ?

We could ask you the exact same question....

Reason Studios is well managed

Do you have access to specific statistics or is it just wishful thinking simply based on your sentiment ?

See? This can go both ways. However, there are quite a few obvious (by now) signals that they didn't manage this release very well

[carambo]

Lol, 1. i am not making claims that they should target this or that, so I don't have to provide anything, I am afraid tou point is weak and 2. I know because my bank is the same as Reason Studios and as a stakeholder I have access to some informations mind you

[jens]

Lol indeed - good thing you obviously can laugh about yourself together with us.

[carambo]

Good for you ! Have fun

[crimsonwarlock]

Lol, 1. i am not making claims that they should target this or that, so I don't have to provide anything, I am afraid tou point is weak

I wasn't talking about targeting this or that, not even about Reason missing pretty basic features like markers, track-folders or punch-in/out. I don't need any of those features, but I do understand that many users do. You are brain-dead if you can't see that.

No, I was talking about releasing R13 with show-stopping bugs like the (publicly acknowledged) fact that you can't install R13 without killing your R12 installation, which prevents people from demoing R13 if you are already a Reason 12 user. Or the fact that Mattias said (in the R13 livestream) that they were totally surprised by the fact that many users are actually using device-favorites as a core part of their workflow. All while there's an avalanche of posts describing the use of favorites to group your devices (including from me) on ReasonTalk, where Mattias is an active member. A simple search on that forum for "favorites" would have told him everything he needed to know.

2. I know because my bank is the same as Reason Studios and as a stakeholder I have access to some informations mind you

I call BS on that. My bank is the same as several large international corporations use, but that doesn't mean my bank can provide me with information about those companies, apart from what is publicly available anyway.

So, are you sure you are not a Reason Studios employee? Because you seem as oblivious as they portray themselves.

[gentleclockdivider]

Reason 13 , released in 2024 yet ALL the shaper devices ( even those in the synths ) still alias .
Someone just explain to me wtf they don't even include simple internal oversampling for the (older) devices ?
What a joke

[crimsonwarlock]

Someone just explain to me wtf they don't even include simple internal oversampling for the (older) devices ?

Updating older devices won't sell new subscriptions

[SLiC]

Reason 13 , released in 2024 yet ALL the shaper devices ( even those in the synths ) still alias .
Someone just explain to me wtf they don't even include simple internal oversampling for the (older) devices ?
What a joke

I think it's fair to say Reason has slipped a long way behind other DAWS in lots of ways over time and are only now paying the price as their 'updates' are just adding things others had/did years ago so unless there is a massive investment they will remain a long way behind.

The new instruments they have developed are outstanding so the talent is there, but perhaps not enough people/money to address the multitude of other things that just need fixing...once you go subscription as a model you have to keep feeding the beast, so there will be more pre-set and loop packs and things that can be sold as add on's.

The big question maybe what is the benefit of Reason as a 'closed' system (their instruments only run in Reason or RRP) that has been opened up? Maybe the whole paradigm is flawed/outdated and they should just release their instruments as VST3s!

[gentleclockdivider]

Reason 13 , released in 2024 yet ALL the shaper devices ( even those in the synths ) still alias .
Someone just explain to me wtf they don't even include simple internal oversampling for the (older) devices ?
What a joke

I think it's fair to say Reason has slipped a long way behind other DAWS in lots of ways over time and are only now paying the price as their 'updates' are just adding things others had/did years ago so unless there is a massive investment they will remain a long way behind.

The new instruments they have developed are outstanding so the talent is there, but perhaps not enough people/money to address the multitude of other things that just need fixing...once you go subscription as a model you have to keep feeding the beast, so there will be more pre-set and loop packs and things that can be sold as add on's.

The big question maybe what is the benefit of Reason as a 'closed' system (their instruments only run in Reason or RRP) that has been opened up? Maybe the whole paradigm is flawed/outdated and they should just release their instruments as VST3s!

Now that they have this capital venture group behind them , one would expect Massive investment has already occured , no ?
It's fair to say it's just a matter of priorities and they don't give a flying ef , updated old devices does not attract new users , new shiny devices do ...emperor's new clothes anyone ?
They could lift reason to new heights with just some better dsp tech , not one of the included devices can take a huge workout without severe issues .
I am constantly reminded of things that can't be done without exhibiting sideffects.

[LaLivre]

I really don't know what ReasonStudios can do at this point to make Reason enticing especially to younger users who they really need to market too. The only thing I can think of for Reason to do is to maybe make something else.

The only thing they would have/would have had to do is improve Reason by implementing basic crucial features. What do you mean with "especially to younger users"? Sorry, but that is DUMB DUMB really DUMB nonsense.

[This being adressed at whatever corporation is doing this:]

Don't dumb things down because you're too stupid/clueless/lazy and then claim "that's what they asked for"

(the popular media has been playing this game for decades - abysmal level of journalism justified by "they wouldn't understand us otherwise").

- Younger users might want to record something they came up with on their keyboard

They might have troubles getting it right on the first take, but instead might need a few instead. Reason currently provides no proper solution to this.

- younger users might want to record their violin (yes, there are still young folks playing all kinds of instruments).

If they are bowing slowly they have to start before the first bar they actually want to record onto (due to the slow attack - same with many synths pads and similar sounds/instruments). If they want to record in a loop, Reason currently does not provide a proper solution for this (lack of slip-editing).

- younger users might want to tax their CPU a little bit more but need low-latency.

Reason currently doesn't provide freezing.

- younger users might want to "bundle" several tracks in a folder

Reason currently doesn't offer this.

- younger users might want to record an alternative version of the song/project they are working on.

Reason currently doesn't provide a reasonable solution for this as all audio-files are incoporated in the project-file and there's no project-version feature.

- younger users might want to record their Seaboard, Linnstrument, Joué (etc.)

Reason currently doesn't provide a solution for this because there's no MPE support.

- younger users might want to benefit from all the wonderful solutions ARA2 offers.

Reason currently doesn't provide any solution for this.


and so forth and so forth. It's really neither rocket-science nor a real problem UNLESS they make it one by ignoring both reason and (the majority of) their core userbase.

If the company had to file for insolvency/would get dumped by their investors within the next half a year or so it would be 100% self-inflicted and completely deserved. That's how it is. Frankly put, they pissed on our legs for long enough at this point. We've been waiting patiently for years and years and years for them to come up with real, substantial improvements to Reason the DAW.

Dude, thats 100 % true, couldn't have written it better. Please send this to Reason Studios or at least lets hope they will read it here. They fu**ing ruin the complete community and - no wonder - needed investor. All because of their ignorant way, we need to revolt.

[SLiC]

Reasons survival is reliant on subscription now, they have deliberately overpriced the software to make the subscription look like a better option
Compared to other DAWS I would say Reason should cost no more than £250. They are charging £500 for a non suite version that doesn’t even include the latest instruments and effects….i just can’t see anyone buying that in 2024.

[jens]

Reasons survival is reliant on subscription now

That's absolutely impossible to know/say without having extensive inside knowledge regarding their accounting.

[SLiC]

Reasons survival is reliant on subscription now

That's absolutely impossible to know/say without having extensive inside knowledge regarding their accounting.

I will rephrase, I hope their business model is not reliant on then selling too many new licences at £500 or upgrades at £200 a pop.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Reasons survival is reliant on subscription now

That's absolutely impossible to know/say without having extensive inside knowledge regarding their accounting.

I will rephrase, I hope their business model is not reliant on then selling too many new licences at £500 or upgrades at £200 a pop.

lolz

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Anyway, apparantley the customer feedback was overwhelmingly in favor of adding yet another synth and a bunch of redundant utilities. Guess the people all wanted another goddang delay too. I suppose you Reason folk got what you wanted cuz Mattias sure thought that's what you wanted so he gave it to you. No one to blame but yourselves.