Presonus : "So we are targeting 3-4 "major" feature releases every year..."

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andypryce wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 7:05 pm It asks if you want to convert the audio files and if yes, creates new files.
Why would you change it in mid project though?
I have two templates, 44.1 for songs and 48 for video projects and never needed to change during a project.
Rarely at the beginning if the file I received is different.
One of my core principles for audio production is to record and mixdown at a high sample rate (96kHz or above) and then use a high quality SRC to downsample from the master as needed.

CPU usage, though, is directly related to sample rate. Double the sample rate, double the CPU. So I mix at 48kHz. This requires switching the sample rate in the song, depending on what I’m doing. It also means that I no longer have to think about my sample rate, and don’t. There is simply high-resolution source audio, and high-resolution export audio.

It also means not having to keep track of originals and copies, and swap in the original high-resolution files every time you want to switch back to a higher sample rate. If you worked the way I do in Cubase and didn’t swap in the original after changing back to 96kHz, your audio quality would suffer from the cumulative degradation of repeated resampling. Studio One makes that a non-issue.

andypryce wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 7:05 pm What do you mean route from right to left?
At the time that I switched from Cubase to Studio One, Cubase had a limitation where audio could only be routed or sent to a destination channel physically to the right of the source channel in the mixer.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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I see yes, in your case it is really helpful. Studio One has lots of things like that, that make workflow easier.

About the routing thing in Cubase,
I have no knowledge of a limitation like that. I can route anything to anywhere.

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Vocalpoint Studios wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 12:18 pm
andypryce wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:25 am It would be a good gesture for their perception if they release a substantial update in the next couple of months and allow all 7 users to have it.
While I can always imagine a substantial update - I cannot imagine it will be free.

This is a business - not a charity.

Nice thing is - you can choose to buy it (and support the DEV team) or not - and still get to keep using S1 v7.2.3 - forever if need be.

But yeah - do not really think Fender is into "good gestures" or holding our hand becuase some users allowed a goofy video (that has not aged well) to upset them - it's not binding in any way.

For me personally - I have work to do. If any future update is actually "substantial" and offers improvements I can use - I am in with no questions - video or no video. If it's lackluster - I will pass. Many others will do the same.

But if you are sitting around waiting for a free handout - could be a long wait.

VP
Frankly, that's a weird take on it. The issue people have - that video aside - is that they got very little VFM for their paid year of updates. It's not about having to pay it's about paying too much for too little.

Still on the plus side though, this new model allows people to pause upgrading for any period of time without the cost of getting up to date increasing when they want to update again. (Unlike Steinberg for example, where it gets more and more expensive... )

It's the same as with Bitwig. (Who unlike Presonus deliver big time though.)

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andypryce wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:39 pm I see yes, in your case it is really helpful. Studio One has lots of things like that, that make workflow easier.

About the routing thing in Cubase,
I have no knowledge of a limitation like that. I can route anything to anywhere.
I figured they eventually addressed that. It was one of the glaring limitations to Cubase at the time, along with not being able rearrange the order of plugin slots. They addressed plugin reordering a couple years before I switched to Studio One, but the left-to-right mixer flow limitation still existed. At the time, Steinberg said they would have to completely rewrite Cubase/Nuendo's audio engine to fix it. I think they did maybe around version 8 or 9? I just never saw any confirmation that those specific problems got resolved. And in the case of switching sample rates on the fly, it looks like it still hasn't been.
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THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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jens wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:12 pmFrankly, that's a weird take on it. The issue people have - that video aside - is that they got very little VFM for their paid year of updates. It's not about having to pay it's about paying too much for too little.
The issue with your statement is - define "too little".

The problem with a large section of our user base was they saw that video and then they saw V7 drop and then somehow got it in their heads that their $149.00 upgrade fee was automatically going to buy them a non-stop series of "new" V7's - chock with the same earth shattering new features that were in the first version of v7.

Presonus never promised that - they simply stated more updates - faster.

And just because this specific year of updates has not set the world on fire does not mean you got nothing for your fee.

You got what you got and now - after a year has gone by - you can determine if you want to do that again. And remember - when v7 came out last Oct 9 - no one was twisting anyones arm here. We are all adults and can make up our own minds.

I simply think last Oct 9 - people started dreaming, got stars in their eyes and then got a serious dose of reality as the year played out.

That said - NOW we are in the best position possible. We get use of a fully stacked version of S1 - forever AND we get to judge Presonus with our wallets on every new update they issue.

So let's see what Presonus comes up with next. If you dig it - renew your updates. If you do not - rock on with v7.2.3 until something comes along that floats your boat.

All I can say - is if they want my money - they will need to step it up.

VP

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Vocalpoint Studios wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:44 pm
jens wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:12 pmFrankly, that's a weird take on it. The issue people have - that video aside - is that they got very little VFM for their paid year of updates. It's not about having to pay it's about paying too much for too little.
The issue with your statement is - define "too little".
No, that's not an issue. Everyone has to define that for themselves.

My assumption is however, that the vast majority of customers will find what Presonus delivered within that year profoundly too litte. If you don't belong in that camp that's absolutely fine of course - that's entirely your call.
(Just don't end up going all mimimi on those who'll henceforth fail to join you in keeping to support Presonus Software.)
The problem with a large section of our user base was they saw that video and then they saw V7 drop and then somehow got it in their heads that their $149.00 upgrade fee was automatically going to buy them a non-stop series of "new" V7's - chock with the same earth shattering new features that were in the first version of v7.
You just made that up - or can you read people's minds?
Presonus never promised that - they simply stated more updates - faster.
Which so far did not at all materialize - instead the development slowed down significantly.

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jens wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:06 pm No, that's not an issue. Everyone has to define that for themselves.
Well - then maybe refrain from saying "all people" or "vast majority". You have no idea what the vast majority thinks. You can only know what you think.

Keep it there and it's valid - but start speaking for the masses - and you will get questions.

Like this for example...
jens wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:06 pm My assumption is however, that the vast majority of customers will find what Presonus delivered within that year profoundly too litte.
Your "assumption" has no bearing on anything - since you do not know what the vast majority thinks at all. You are speculating based on 5 or 7 of 10 people who have complained on this forum.

If anything - the "vast majority" of Presonus Studio One users are not here at all - they are out "there" - making music and getting on with it.

If you want to speculate - that is fine. Just do not make it sound like you are dialled into what 500 or 5000 or 50000 users think about their update plans or how many updates you think they should have gotten this year.

VP

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Vocalpoint Studios wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:25 pm
jens wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:06 pm No, that's not an issue. Everyone has to define that for themselves.
Well - then maybe refrain from saying "all people" or "vast majority". You have no idea what the vast majority thinks. You can only know what you think.

Keep it there and it's valid - but start speaking for the masses - and you will get questions.

Says the person who just laid out in detail what "a large section of our user-base" is thinking. You just couldn't make that kind of irony up. :shock:

Unlike you I however wrote "my assumption is". You really need to improve your reading comprehension skills, it appears.
Like this for example...
For example? So what are other examples then? Go on, quote me!

jens wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:06 pm My assumption is however, that the vast majority of customers will find what Presonus delivered within that year profoundly too litte.
Your "assumption" has no bearing on anything - since you do not know what the vast majority thinks at all. You are speculating based on 5 or 7 of 10 people who have complained on this forum.
What "bearing" should it have? This is pure forum banter after all. But again: those "5 or 7" were " a large section of our user-base" in your last post. Let that sink in. It just doesn't get more ridiculous than that. But please keep it going - it's very entertaining and you can't make much of of a fool out of yourself anyway...
If anything - the "vast majority" of Presonus Studio One users are not here at all - they are out "there" - making music and getting on with it.
Lol...

If you want to speculate - that is fine. Just do not make it sound like you are dialled into what 500 or 5000 or 50000 users think about their update plans or how many updates you think they should have gotten this year.

VP

I never did that - quite unlike you, I hasten to add. Let's read that again, shall we?

The problem with a large section of our user base was they saw that video and then they saw V7 drop and then somehow got it in their heads that their $149.00 upgrade fee was automatically going to buy them a non-stop series of "new" V7's - chock with the same earth shattering new features that were in the first version of v7.
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I actually chuckled when they promised 3–4 major updates per year. 3-4 patches and minor updates for existing products per year, sure, but the audio industry doesn't move fast enough for 3–4 major updates per year.

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Vocalpoint Studios wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 5:51 pm
andypryce wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 5:47 pmInteresting.. Despite the great speed, workflow and features, I moved back to Cubase due to the poorer efficiency and stability. No more spikes or hiccups or constant crashes. Can score easily with huge templates, no slow down or halt or spikes. I am on Mac though. Heard that S1 runs better on PC but Cubase on Mac is killer.
Too many Mac users simply still have not gotten the memo on using AU in Studio One. It is not a format that is thoroughly tested (in S1) and it usually the result of all the instability I have seen.

VST3 is the way - for any Mac user on S1
I'm using VST3 only in S1 on Mac, I have a many crashes, unfortunately, but then again, could be because of buggy/instable VST3 plugins, and I have a LOT of plugins.
Mac Mini M4 Pro | 14 Cores (10P/4E) | 48GB RAM | Studio One | Reason | Bitwig Studio | Logic Pro | FL Studio | Cubase Pro | Waveform | Reaper | Renoise | ~1000 VSTs/AUs | ~350 REs

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When I purchase an new version of a DAW, I'm buying it for what it offers, not some hope or promise of what it may one day become. Granted, I like new features, but it's always a pleasant surprise if and when they come. I certainly don't enter into it thinking of it as an unfinished product that entitles me to unannounced future enhancements. I find that thinking very strange, and kind of unique to the atmosphere surrounding Studio One 7. If Studio One 6 wouldn't have added new features in updates prior to Studio One 7, I don't think anyone would have been bitching about it, demanding "more stuff." They're not even demanding anything in particular (I hope they learned their lesson with the Clip Launcher :hihi: ). No they're just demanding more unspecified "features" for the sake of it, acting as though they've been taken advantage of by the big corporate baddie because it's been 5 months since their last fix.

That said, I do think the way the yearly update scheme was introduced and presented is what set the tone of entitlement that people are now expressing. Rather than making it all about having a perpetual license that isn't limited by arbitrary version numbers, they made it all about how MANY free updated versions you will get. That was a bad move that now puts pressure on PreSonus to churn out "more stuff" faster for the sake of it, to meet this ridiculous expectation that they created.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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jamcat wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:24 pm When I purchase an new version of a DAW, I'm buying it for what it offers, not some hope or promise of what it may one day become. Granted, I like new features, but it's always a pleasant surprise if and when they come. I certainly don't enter into it thinking of it as an unfinished product that entitles me to unannounced future enhancements.
This. 100%

VP

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jens wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:12 pm The issue people have - that video aside - is that they got very little VFM for their paid year of updates. It's not about having to pay it's about paying too much for too little.
This is exactly what my feelings are on this. I paid basically twice as much for a fraction of the development that we got with v6.

It's really that simple. It has nothing to do with their video. There is also no need to justify feeling that way.

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jamcat wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 11:24 pm When I purchase an new version of a DAW, I'm buying it for what it offers, not some hope or promise of what it may one day become.

No they're just demanding more unspecified "features" for the sake of it, acting as though they've been taken advantage of by the big corporate baddie because it's been 5 months since their last fix.
That's fine, no one is telling you what to buy, or not buy. That doesn't mean no one else can have a different opinion than you. I have never bought a DAW that didn't have ongoing development, that is how it has always been. If you bought it and it was riddled with bugs and they didn't fix anything, would you be happy, or would you just say "well that's how it was when I bought it"

The second statement is just absurd. People all over the place are asking for very concrete things. I don't see why you have to belittle other people to make you feel better about your choices.

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I have been making music since way before cakewalk was on even on Windows 3.1.
The bottom line is that that Studio One is a well rounded efficient DAW with supreme editing features. The probelm I have is with how I was communicated to duiring the switch to subscriptioions. Arguing about their wording is just semanticts. They clearly suggested there would be 4 major releases per year to encourage us to lay down our money and that hasnt materialized.
As I have said before, I would be happy for one major new features relelase per year with good solid interim maintenance releases. But I want them to be honest about it and treat their customers with some respect.
They chose to move to a yearly maintenance model. So they should be honest about what they will deliver in return for us to give them our money.
The probllem with too frequent perpetual license updates is that developers have to come up with enough new features to encourage new sales but that often takes away delevopment from fixes/workflow enhancements so you risk endding up with bloatware and bugs every new release. I have seen that a few time in the past. So I am not expecting a constant stream of new features.
As it has been mentioned boefore, Studio One is a mature DAW already. To expect new features all the time may not be the best approach. But Lets have them be honest about that and not make empty promisies to try to grab our money. I just find that insulting and too much of that behaviour wiill push me over to a different product (I'm looking at you, Fender execs). Studio One and Presonus deverve better than that.

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