Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[HM]

?? iZotope have had a subscription model option for at least a couple years, just like NI.

Maybe so, but just relaunced as something new, and with more emphasis to it seemingly

Dont know what the changes are in details, as I don't look into subscrition at any point

https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/izotope-subscriptions?

[enroe]

As far as autosampling goes, it's a nice thing to have (and I'm using Logic's autosampling feature a whole lot), but doing so for a more or less complexed Kontakt library is pretty futile IMO. I mean, what about those patches with velocity zones, keyswitching, round robins and what not? And we haven't even talked filters, envelopes, FX and what not.

So, you could possible autosample some "barebones" but would then have to rebuild all the playing related aspects in the target sampler.
Alternatively, you may sample some more complexed settings - but in that case, to keep things flexible, you'd need to sample tons of patches.

Seriously, even just the idea of re-sampling any halfway elaborated Kontakt library makes me shudder.

Haha, that's precisely why it's so important to build a future-proof library from the very beginning. Migrating a library is always extremely complex, daunting, and incredibly hard work.

[swilow11]

Whether this means much I do not know, but Massive X is still in development with pretty significant changes afoot. I guess it means very little but that NI are actively trying to improve a now oldish product is interesting at the very least.

[IvyBirds]

In FlStudio you can use directwave to sample plugins ...
For example kontakt ...
But its just theory.

There are lots of Autosample options and ultimately this may be the only path forward

I have been autosampling my plugins for several years now every patch I like and use including factory presets and homemade gets autosampled

I wouldn’t say there are “lots” of options. There are some. And fewer might actually be good.

I see we have now reached the point where you want to argue what the term "lots" means.

In cognitive psychology, George Miller’s "The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two" suggests that the human brain can generally hold about 7 items in working memory.
Once you pass 7 to 10 items, the brain stops seeing individual units and starts seeing a "group" or a "multitude." This is often the mental tipping point for "lots."

I can easily list more than 10 Autosampling options for you if you like

Having 10+ of something like Autosampling tools would be considered by most to have lots of options, as opposed to just 2-3 which would be few, but as always you do you

[audiojunkie]

In FlStudio you can use directwave to sample plugins ...
For example kontakt ...
But its just theory.

There are lots of Autosample options and ultimately this may be the only path forward

I have been autosampling my plugins for several years now every patch I like and use including factory presets and homemade gets autosampled

I wouldn’t say there are “lots” of options. There are some. And fewer might actually be good.

I see we have now reached the point where you want to argue what the term "lots" means.

In cognitive psychology, George Miller’s "The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two" suggests that the human brain can generally hold about 7 items in working memory.
Once you pass 7 to 10 items, the brain stops seeing individual units and starts seeing a "group" or a "multitude." This is often the mental tipping point for "lots."

I can easily list more than 10 Autosampling options for you if you like

Having 10+ of something like Autosampling tools would be considered by most to have lots of options, as opposed to just 2-3 which would be few, but as always you do you

I’m not attempting to argue—sorry if it seems that way. I would like to find some options, and except for 3 or 4, The others I knew about have gone out of business. So please, if you really know that many solutions, share the links to them.

I try do do exactly what you do, and I have about 350Gb of sampled instruments, one shots, loops, etc. But I’m always seeking more, and of higher quality.

So seriously, please share your links.

Edit:

I think I see where the misunderstanding is coming from. I accidentally deleted a word in my previous post, when I was editing it, and it completely changed the meaning of my post. Here it is corrected:

“I wouldn’t say there are “lots” of options. There are some. And fewer than might actually be good.”

[IvyBirds]

In FlStudio you can use directwave to sample plugins ...
For example kontakt ...
But its just theory.

There are lots of Autosample options and ultimately this may be the only path forward

I have been autosampling my plugins for several years now every patch I like and use including factory presets and homemade gets autosampled

I wouldn’t say there are “lots” of options. There are some. And fewer might actually be good.

I see we have now reached the point where you want to argue what the term "lots" means.

In cognitive psychology, George Miller’s "The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two" suggests that the human brain can generally hold about 7 items in working memory.
Once you pass 7 to 10 items, the brain stops seeing individual units and starts seeing a "group" or a "multitude." This is often the mental tipping point for "lots."

I can easily list more than 10 Autosampling options for you if you like

Having 10+ of something like Autosampling tools would be considered by most to have lots of options, as opposed to just 2-3 which would be few, but as always you do you

I’m not attempting to argue—sorry if it seems that way. I would like to find some options, and except for 3 or 4, The others I knew about have gone out of business. So please, if you really know that many solutions, share the links to them.

I try do do exactly what you do, and I have about 350Gb of sampled instruments, one shots, loops, etc. But I’m always seeking more, and of higher quality.

So seriously, please share your links.

Edit:

I think I see where the misunderstanding is coming from. I accidentally deleted a word in my previous post, when I was editing it, and it completely changed the meaning of my post. Here it is corrected:

“I wouldn’t say there are “lots” of options. There are some. And fewer than might actually be good.”

Sure no problem, sorry for any misunderstanding

I currently own 5 some I purchased some came with other things. These are the ones that came with other things

1.)Translator Pro by Chicken Systems
2.) HALion7
3.)Gig Performer

I also own
4.)Sample Robot
5.) Samplit

Of those I use Gig Performer the most, but also HALion7. I already wrote about why I like Gig Performer so I won't rehash that

Halion7's Autosampler works best if you also have Cubase, but you don't have to. It is kind of "semi automatic" in a way. It works by reading the MIDI information you send the synth you are sampling either by manually pressing keys on a controller or hardware synth or via a sequencer. It can see any audio input you have on your computer, or you can send audio to it with Cubase. I have also created specific sequences to automate this process. By using MIDI it will automatically start recording when it sees the note on message and stop when it sees either note off or the audio falls below a certain threshold, and map the sample to the key and velocity pressed. Much like with Gig Performer you will end up with all of the wave files in a folder, and of course it will make a HALion Preset There are a lot of other options you can set when using it. It's awesome for when you want a more hands on approach

I am not a fan of the one that came with Translator but I didn't buy it for that

Sample Robot works great, and it can make Montage Presets which is what I use it for. Ironically it also does a great job making Kontact libraries but that's not helpful in this discussion

Samplit is long in the tooth now. I used to use it a lot but don't any more. It can't load VST3 which is an issue, but if I just load the VST2 version of Voltage Modular and host the VST3 inside of it.

Ones I don't own

Apple Mainstage and Apple Logic both have Auto Samplers that I have heard great things about but I am not an Apple guy so I don't use them. My band mate is a logic user and uses it Autosampler, I have seen him use it and it seems pretty great

The Akai MPC ecosystem has an autosampler also. I have no experience with it but I have heard many good things about it. It's included in the free MPC Beats edition also so it might be something to explore for free

DirectWave (Image-Line). While usually associated with FL Studio you can also buy it and use it with other DAWs. It's a full on sampler that also has Autosampler options that are quite good.

Bliss Sampler is another full on sampler that can also sample VST3 instruments that are hosted inside of it

There are some others but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head

If your goal is to sample Kontact in the event it disappears from the marketplace I would recommend HALion7, Directwave, or Bliss because not only are they autosamplers but they are also full on samplers in and if themselves

HALion7 especially with its multiple engines especially is great with samples as you can easily use it to turn them into Wavetables, Spectral/Resynthesis or granular

One final note, HALion7 has a really good Resynthesis tool they call "Spectral" and for many things like pads and more esoteric and ethereal sounds you can just drop a single sample in and it works great

[audiojunkie]

Sure no problem, sorry for any misunderstanding

I currently own 5 some I purchased some came with other things. These are the ones that came with other things

1.)Translator Pro by Chicken Systems
2.) HALion7
3.)Gig Performer

I also own
4.)Sample Robot
5.) Samplit

Of those I use Gig Performer the most, but also HALion7. I already wrote about why I like Gig Performer so I won't rehash that

Halion7's Autosampler works best if you also have Cubase, but you don't have to. It is kind of "semi automatic" in a way. It works by reading the MIDI information you send the synth you are sampling either by manually pressing keys on a controller or hardware synth or via a sequencer. It can see any audio input you have on your computer, or you can send audio to it with Cubase. I have also created specific sequences to automate this process. By using MIDI it will automatically start recording when it sees the note on message and stop when it sees either note off or the audio falls below a certain threshold, and map the sample to the key and velocity pressed. Much like with Gig Performer you will end up with all of the wave files in a folder, and of course it will make a HALion Preset There are a lot of other options you can set when using it. It's awesome for when you want a more hands on approach

I am not a fan of the one that came with Translator but I didn't buy it for that

Sample Robot works great, and it can make Montage Presets which is what I use it for. Ironically it also does a great job making Kontact libraries but that's not helpful in this discussion

Samplit is long in the tooth now. I used to use it a lot but don't any more. It can't load VST3 which is an issue, but if I just load the VST2 version of Voltage Modular and host the VST3 inside of it.

Ones I don't own

Apple Mainstage and Apple Logic both have Auto Samplers that I have heard great things about but I am not an Apple guy so I don't use them. My band mate is a logic user and uses it Autosampler, I have seen him use it and it seems pretty great

The Akai MPC ecosystem has an autosampler also. I have no experience with it but I have heard many good things about it. It's included in the free MPC Beats edition also so it might be something to explore for free

DirectWave (Image-Line). While usually associated with FL Studio you can also buy it and use it with other DAWs. It's a full on sampler that also has Autosampler options that are quite good.

Bliss Sampler is another full on sampler that can also sample VST3 instruments that are hosted inside of it

There are some others but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head

If your goal is to sample Kontact in the event it disappears from the marketplace I would recommend HALion7, Directwave, or Bliss because not only are they autosamplers but they are also full on samplers in and if themselves

HALion7 especially with its multiple engines especially is great with samples as you can easily use it to turn them into Wavetables, Spectral/Resynthesis or granular

One final note, HALion7 has a really good Resynthesis tool they call "Spectral" and for many things like pads and more esoteric and ethereal sounds you can just drop a single sample in and it works great

I’ve had my eye on Wave Robot. I’ve got some of the ones you mentioned. I like to save and use open formats though, so Halion wouldn’t be for me. What is it you like about Gig Performer? Do you have a link where you talk about it? Is it like wave robot and does seamlessly looping too?

[IvyBirds]

I’ve had my eye on Wave Robot. I’ve got some of the ones you mentioned. I like to save and use open formats though, so Halion wouldn’t be for me. What is it you like about Gig Performer? Do you have a link where you talk about it? Is it like wave robot and does seamlessly looping too?

Gig Performer is a Swiss Army knife of audio, MIDI, and plugin hosting. Originally designed to host Virtual Instruments while playing live which is something it still excels at and which I use it for, they have added tons of features to it including an Autosampler feature. Because it's focused on VST hosting you can easily host multiple instruments for layered sounds and then run them through whatever audio or effects chain you want and then sample the output.

It will leave you with a folder of WAV files and the XML file to load them into Decent Sampler which is a free sampler plugin. I like decent Sampler because it doesn't use a lot of CPU or RAM and works by just having a simple XML Script in the folder with the samples

I like the Autosampler in Gig Performer for this because it is dead simple to use and just makes WAV files I can use in anything, I can easily set low and high nite priorities, tell it to whatever notes I want at whatever velocities

As far as loop points go you can do that in Decent Sampler but I don't use them. I sample sustained sounds for 60 seconds and don't worry about them. I then have Decent Sampler loop at the end with a 5 second cross fade. It will probably never hit that cross fade as that would be a sustain for 60 full seconds but if it does it will be seamless. Storage and RAM is so cheap my goal here is to vave as much a
Of the samples as possible

If I am doing shorter sounds like percussion or piano I sample for however long they are. If I ever need to do loop points I will use HALion7 or Sample Robot

[burkek]

DirectWave (Image-Line). While usually associated with FL Studio you can also buy it and use it with other DAWs. It's a full on sampler that also has Autosampler options that are quite good.

No, you can't actually. Only for use with FL Studio.

[audiojunkie]

I’ve had my eye on Wave Robot. I’ve got some of the ones you mentioned. I like to save and use open formats though, so Halion wouldn’t be for me. What is it you like about Gig Performer? Do you have a link where you talk about it? Is it like wave robot and does seamlessly looping too?

Gig Performer is a Swiss Army knife of audio, MIDI, and plugin hosting. Originally designed to host Virtual Instruments while playing live which is something it still excels at and which I use it for, they have added tons of features to it including an Autosampler feature. Because it's focused on VST hosting you can easily host multiple instruments for layered sounds and then run them through whatever audio or effects chain you want and then sample the output.

It will leave you with a folder of WAV files and the XML file to load them into Decent Sampler which is a free sampler plugin. I like decent Sampler because it doesn't use a lot of CPU or RAM and works by just having a simple XML Script in the folder with the samples

I like the Autosampler in Gig Performer for this because it is dead simple to use and just makes WAV files I can use in anything, I can easily set low and high nite priorities, tell it to whatever notes I want at whatever velocities

As far as loop points go you can do that in Decent Sampler but I don't use them. I sample sustained sounds for 60 seconds and don't worry about them. I then have Decent Sampler loop at the end with a 5 second cross fade. It will probably never hit that cross fade as that would be a sustain for 60 full seconds but if it does it will be seamless. Storage and RAM is so cheap my goal here is to vave as much a
Of the samples as possible

If I am doing shorter sounds like percussion or piano I sample for however long they are. If I ever need to do loop points I will use HALion7 or Sample Robot

Interesting! Thanks for the info

[audiojunkie]

DirectWave (Image-Line). While usually associated with FL Studio you can also buy it and use it with other DAWs. It's a full on sampler that also has Autosampler options that are quite good.

No, you can't actually. Only for use with FL Studio.

Ummm… I never said what you are quoting me as saying..

[IvyBirds]

DirectWave (Image-Line). While usually associated with FL Studio you can also buy it and use it with other DAWs. It's a full on sampler that also has Autosampler options that are quite good.

No, you can't actually. Only for use with FL Studio.

Interesting didn't realize they discontinued the VST version what a shame

[Lind0n]

I’ve had my eye on Wave Robot. I’ve got some of the ones you mentioned. I like to save and use open formats though, so Halion wouldn’t be for me. What is it you like about Gig Performer? Do you have a link where you talk about it? Is it like wave robot and does seamlessly looping too?

If you re on windows, then the ugliest and best at the same time I find to be Extreme Sample Converter....makes you remember Windows 3.1 , but does auto re-sampling for hardware and plugins, as well as format conversions too...

[Funky40]

I like the Autosampler in Gig Performer for this because it is dead simple to use and just makes WAV files I can use in anything, I can easily set low and high nite priorities, tell it to whatever notes I want at whatever velocities

how many velocity layers do you set for your normal uses ?
And how many notes per octave ?
( i understand what "your" uses might be most often. You´ve been vocal...so i can adapt to mine)

and thanks for the infos. some useful hints already


sorry for further OT

[machinesworking]

On Mac I would say easily the best is the autosampler in Mainstage/Logic.
It's a sin that Apple never have released Mainstage for the iPads, but have a cut down version of Logic for it.